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Can you feel it coming?

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Something’s waking up inside.

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Hearts ablaze, we’re standing
tall breaking chains of yesterday.

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Dead

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America finds it’s voice, in
the darkness, we make choice.

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Truth and healing lead the way,
hearts ablaze, we’re here to stay.

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Rise from ashes, come what
may, we’re finding hope

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in disarray.

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Today, we’re speaking
with Cydian Kauffman.

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He is one of the owners
of Pure Water Northwest.

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Cydian, could you please
introduce yourself?

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Let people know just a little
more about you, please.

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Oh, sure.

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Yeah.

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Thanks for having me on.

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Um, I’m, uh, one of the owners
of Pure Water Northwest, uh, the

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company which started a little over
a decade ago to try and handle water.

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Um, basically, by helping people
with drinking water, both in their

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homes and, and their businesses.

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But, um, the goal of the company is to try
and do it through kind of a water science

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lens, um, rather than a product lens.

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So we try to do a lot of testing first.

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And I joined the company six years
ago knowing absolutely nothing about

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water science, water treatment, or
anything and, and I have learned a lot.

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I have become, um, something
of an expert in it.

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So I just like to get on, you
know, podcasts every once in a

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while to talk about water, water
quality, or, or whatever you want

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to talk about in relation to that.

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But, um, but yeah, that’s,
that’s what I’m doing.

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That’s why I’m here.

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Uh, I’ll tell you, water is one of
the most important things, if not

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the most important things, of our
life and we are oblivious to it.

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It’s all around us and it covers most of
the earth, but yet, we are so retarded,

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if you will, when it comes to water.

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And the Clean Water Act, it
really doesn’t do much for us

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if you really look deep into it.

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But they try to safeguard our water
and there’s a lot to do with water.

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Let’s start off with, what’s the
main issue with water contaminants?

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Um, well, the main issue with water
contaminants is that they’re invisible.

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I mean, what you just described,
that water is kind of everywhere,

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um, it being ubiquitous, so to speak,
it being in, in everybody’s lives.

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It would be like if someone said
that the air you’re breathing is bad.

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Um, if the air you’re breathing
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we going to do about that?

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Um, water’s a little easier than if the
air you were breathing is bad though, you

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actually make a choice to drink water.

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And so there are a lot of ways
you can actually filter it.

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Um, it is a little easier to confront
than air, but not that much easier.

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And so the fact that many contaminants
are completely odorless, tasteless,

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you can’t see it, um, that makes it
difficult for people to wrap their head

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around the idea that some of the water
they’re drinking might have a problem.

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It, it’s killed so many people through
history, you know, simple cholera

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and not boiling the contaminants out.

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So, you know, what is the best
system for us to use to get the

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simple organics out of our water?

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Well, I mean, if you want one system,
that would always be reverse osmosis.

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Um, we don’t, we are not a big proponent
of just throwing a system at something.

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Um, it is, it is okay to do if, if
you really want to get a reverse

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osmosis system and then you’re,
you’re pretty, pretty safe with water.

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Um, but the better thing to do is identify
what’s in your water by doing testing.

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Um, for example, uh, most reverse
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effective against arsenic five.

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Um, I mean arsenic three.

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And, um, the, there, there are,
there’s more than one form of arsenic.

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And a, a form of arsenic,
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Um, a form of arsenic will only be fifty
percent removed by reverse osmosis.

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So you would need a, uh, supplementary
system to that, something that has

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like a nano titanium oxide or, um,
bayoxide or, uh, something called SBG 2.

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Basically other forms of
median that are specialized in

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reducing arsenic at that level.

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Or you have to oxidize the arsenic.

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So basically it, it’s fine if you just
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osmosis, but if you really want to be sure
what’s in your water, you wanna tailor it.

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Uh, you should get a test
and talk to an expert.

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So you can actually tailor your filtration
by the different chemicals that you add,

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and it will suit your system a lot better.

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That’s interesting.

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It’ll last longer, yep.

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And, and it will avoid problems.

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Actually, um, a main source of people’s
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they decide to throw a softener at,
uh, their well water, for example.

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And if you’ve got well water and you’ve
got, um, arsenic or high levels of cadmium

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or chromium or some other contaminants
in the well water, and all you’re doing

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is throwing, uh, cation resin at it.

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So you’re just trying to attract
that positively charged ion.

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That is going to prevent, uh, that
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other ions to bind to it or get
stuck in it, and those will release

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because they’re not the right charge,
but they will still get stuck.

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So you can get arsenic, for example,
binding up in that median, just

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holding and then suddenly releasing.

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It’s called contaminant dumping.

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So if you don’t actually test
your water first, you can actually

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make your situation worse by
trying to treat the water.

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That’s interesting.

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So I’m a homeowner up here in
the, uh, cascades and I have water

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issues, you know, it’s, it’s a
community well that we use here.

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So I’ve been thinking about implementing
a system to do something, but I’m really

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kind of ignorant when it comes to that.

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So I went out and I bought a Zero Water
filtration and put it in the refrigerator,

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and that’s what we kind of use.

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Is, is that getting what I need out
of my water or should I actually get a

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personalized test instead of just relying
on the test from my water provider?

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Well, because you’re talking to me maybe,
maybe I can help you through it without

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you having to do a personalized test.

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So, uh, but most people, yeah,
they should do a personalized test.

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So let me ask you, on your community
well, are they, uh, chlorinating it?

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Yes.

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Okay, so that means they’re
oxidizing the arsenic.

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So if they’re chlorinating it already,
they’re already flipping that valent

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state of that arsenic to a much
easier, easier state to remove.

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Um, that Zero filter, uh,
those do deionization.

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So I have two things to say about them.

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One, they’re fantastic for the
period of time they work for because

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they’re deionizing your water.

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Like you can’t beat deionization
really, um, but they don’t backwash.

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You can get deionizing
filters that backwash.

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Uh, they won’t do full deionization,
but you can get them that

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do sufficient deionization.

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And then they, they backwash,
which means they self clean.

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That Zero filtering needs to be
replaced, but how do you know

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when it needs to be replaced?

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All you’re doing is doing TDS testing.

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Um, that means that, for all we
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and getting filled with, uh, the much
more easy to grab contaminants and

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then allowing through it, the tail end
of the filtration lifetime, allowing

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through some of the, uh, harder to grab
contaminants, which can be bad for you.

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Like arsenic is harder to grab.

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So, um, it is not a perfect solution.

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And as long as you’re actually
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and then really keeping up on
the filter, it’s probably okay.

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Um, but those filters can go bad
pretty fast if your well water is bad.

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So it’s not, it is definitely
not a solution for everyone.

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Um, we’ve had people who have,
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that those Zero filters would go
bad in three or four days, so.

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So, so talk to me a little
bit about these systems.

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Can I get like an under the sink
system that will do that process

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instead of this big tank that I have
to set in the back room someplace

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and fill it with salt and chemicals?

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Well, you can do reverse osmosis under
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and last longer than that Zero filter.

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Um, if you do ’em both together,
like you’re, you’re, you’re doing

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more than, more than a lab would do.

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So you’re, you’re getting fantastic
water if you do ’em both together.

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But the, um, but it’s also maybe
a little bit of overkill, it

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does depend on your water though.

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So to answer your question
with any, any accuracy, I would

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have to see your water tests.

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But you can’t do self back washing filters
without, um, having a whole house system.

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Those, those tall tanks that are about
as tall as a person, if you want to have

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them self clean, you have to get those.

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You’re not getting a self-cleaning
system that fits under the sink.

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So for those, you’re
always changing filters.

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So with the reverse osmosis system, is
there a filter that you replace in those?

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Or how does that actually work?

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Yeah.

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Um, RO requires membrane replacement
and there’s also some filters that

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are there to protect the membrane.

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But the membrane, that little canister
that’s usually about this big, that

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goes under your sink, inside the
reverse osmosis, that thing is amazing.

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Um, it does the work to remove, uh,
salts, um, and it doesn’t do anything

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with ions, it’s removing salts,
and inorganics, and some organics.

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Uh, because it is physical filtration,
but also, um, it does, it does

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essentially reverse, what reverse
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um, osmotic tendency, which is the
tendency for things to create balance.

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So you’ll have one side of something here
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it will contaminate the other side.

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We are doing reverse osmosis by applying
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screen between, between the two things
that will push this way, but won’t

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allow it to travel back this way.

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And then you drink from this side, you
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That’s basically all
reverse osmosis is doing.

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but it, and which is amazing, that’s
an amazing method of treatment.

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And it, it allows, it allows, uh, naval
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rather than having to store, store water.

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So, I mean, that, that process is
incredibly powerful and reverse

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osmosis is incredibly effective.

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And it doesn’t make your water
unhealthy like some people think either.

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What about UV filtration,
ultraviolet light?

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Is that effective and is it, is it
worth the cost of that equipment?

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Yeah, for bacteria, it has
shown to be pretty effective.

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It is the least effective of all,
all of the various ways of killing

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bacteria, but it is effective.

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Um, you would call ozone more
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um, but UV is very effective.

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Yes.

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At, at bacteria only.

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Yeah.

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We’ve used chlorine for years to,
you know, help reduce the health

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risk of water, but there’s a,

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there’s a deal with chlorine.

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You know, it’s been years since
I’ve been into this, but it’s,

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uh, it, it’s residual and that
residual chlorine can be bad for us.

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Can you talk to us about that?

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Well, for sure.

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Yeah.

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I mean, in high doses it’s cancer causing.

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Uh, chlorine was used in, um, what?

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World War II to kill people.

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I mean, it, it’s, it’s, in its basic
form, it’s a gas and it will absolutely

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kill a person in high enough doses.

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Uh, the chlorine byproducts that,
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chlorinating and decontamination creates
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acids, haloacetic acids, all of
those various chlorine byproducts.

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Chloroform, like chloroform is
one of the byproducts of chlorine.

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And, um, the, the, the thing that you
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what will hurt your body is about dosage.

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So there’s two things that I, I , I
need people to always, I always

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am telling people two things, and
these are contrasting realities.

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One is, the dose is what kills a person.

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Not, not the item, it’s the dose.

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You drink too much pure water, you die.

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Like, um, I think nine liters
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So it’s how much, it’s just how much.

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But then again, anything that you aren’t
filtering ahead, your body is the filter.

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So if you don’t filter out the chlorine
and chlorine byproducts, which are

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needed, you have to have that or you’re
gonna die from some bacteria, it’s, or,

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or amoeba, or protozoa, or some sort of
cyst or parasite will kill you for sure.

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Um, uh, at some point.

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Um, especially with the water the way it
is now, the, the, the, uh, originating

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water, the way it is now before it is
treated, that will, that will kill you.

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But, um, I mean, in most sources,
I, I shouldn’t say that outright.

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There are some sources that
are actually very pure still.

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But in most places right now, yeah.

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And then, uh, anything that is then
a byproduct after that, the chlorine

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residual, the chlorine byproducts,
all of that, those are not in high

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doses enough to kill most people
or hurt, even hurt most people.

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But they do build up, they
can build up over time.

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And like I said, If, if you aren’t
filtering it, your body’s the filter.

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So it is good to get some carbon
to get rid of that chlorine stuff.

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So, so that is the answer
is an activated chlorine?

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Activated carbon to get rid of that stuff.

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Yeah.

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Or charcoal.

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Sorry.

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So I, I was reading your bio
when it came over and it talks

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about water and gender equality.

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The untold story, how clean water
transforms women’s lives and why

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it’s one of the biggest human
rights issues nobody talks about.

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I need to know more about this
because I’ve never heard of this.

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Yeah.

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Um, well, let me, let me
put it to you this way.

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In a country where, um, you don’t
have just water flowing through all

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the pipes, uh, where’re you, where
are you getting the water from?

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You’re, you’re going to a borehole if
you’re lucky enough to have one, like a

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well, or you’re getting it from puddles.

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Um, and if you have no access to
water, the only way you’re getting

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it is by walking for many, many,
many miles to get the water.

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Who is doing that?

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Women and children, that’s who’s doing it.

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And this is many, many, many, many
locations where there are thousands

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of people who are huddled together
around an area that has, um, you

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know, some access to water part of
the year, and then another part of

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the year there’s no access to water.

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And during that time, there’s
four to five hours per day that

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all the women and children are
just walking to get that water.

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Which means those women cannot be
educated, they cannot get a job, they have

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to rely on a man, um, to support them.

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And that man then has all the power.

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So if they’re lucky,
they’ve got a good one.

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And if they’re not, they have
to suffer whatever’s happening.

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So in those areas, the topic of
equal rights cannot even begin.

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You can’t even start that topic.

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You could not say, I want equal rights.

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Because there’s no, you
have no leverage whatsoever.

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You have no choice to just say,
okay, I’m just gonna go get my

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own, I’m gonna go do my own thing.

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Uh, it’s just not really possible.

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So it is a huge gender equality issue.

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And those companies like Ryan’s Wells
and, and other companies who are going

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around drilling wells, um, and then
they, they, uh, they either figure

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out the water chemistry themselves
or they contact a company like ours.

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We’ve, we’ve helped with some of those
projects, um, advising on them and,

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uh, making sure the water that comes
outta the ground, it’s decent enough

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that they’re not gonna die from it.

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And then suddenly the entire
social structure of the

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area changes, it’s amazing.

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Yeah, that’s incredible.

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Yeah, I, you know, a lot of people
don’t even think about that.

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And we’ve heard about, you know,
the African, and, you know,

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these dry places being without.

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But yet we overlook those
problems in our world.

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So how, how can we actually get these
people to a better place in life?

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Is it by drilling wells, or is it by
moving them to a more arid place, or?

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So yeah.

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There’s two, I mean,
there’s two basic solutions.

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One is you get them a well if
you drill deep enough, in most

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places, you’ll find water.

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Not all places, but most places.

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If you drill deep enough,
you’ll find water.

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Um, so that is one option.

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And then, uh, yeah, moving
them is maybe an option.

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I think if they could
move, they would though.

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So sometimes what is actually happening
is that people are already moved and

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the infrastructure in the place is not,
um, worked on by the local government.

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So even in those places, they are still
having to travel for hours to get water.

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And those places, what can
actually help is access to testing.

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As strange as this sounds.

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If those places who actually
have a governance take a test and

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say, This is what we’re drinking.

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And they walk it to their municipal,
not their municipality, they’re not

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gonna necessarily have one, but their
government, their local representative,

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and say, Look, this is our water.

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These are way beyond the health level,
this is what’s causing our children to

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die, this is what’s causing us to have
malnutrition, uh, stunted growth, to have,

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um, developmental issues in our society.

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It changes our entire lives
and this is the proof.

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That can actually help a little.

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I mean, it depends on whether
the government’s gonna listen.

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But it, it can actually help some.

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So those two things, I would say
access to testing and then the

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ability to actually get wells drilled.

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Which means you have to, you have to
partner with a company that does that

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as their, um, as their mission, like,
like Ryans Wells, I mentioned before.

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And there’s some other
companies as well that do that.

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Yeah.

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So I’ve, I’ve seen some companies out
and they’re doing testing with various

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systems that pull water out of the air,
and this seems like it’s a possible way

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of supplementing water supply, but I
don’t see that it would actually give

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you enough water to live off of because
we, we actually consume so much water.

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Yeah, so you bring up a really good point.

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Those are brand new.

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Like I know they’ve been around for
a long time, but the ones that can

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actually work efficiently enough that
it could make sense, those are new.

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Um, to get those to work you’d have
to, you know, currently to sustain one

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person requires, um, a size that’s about,
I don’t know, eight people in space.

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So they take up the space of eight
people, roughly, to sustain one person.

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And I don’t remember the exact
power consumption, but you would

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need solar, or solar plus wind
to capture it in those areas.

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So there’s a lot of cost, but it
is actually a reasonable possible

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solution in the future for some people.

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It is getting more efficient and it
is getting a little bit more, the

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cost of solar is getting better.

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Uh, so yeah, I could see this
actually being, in the not too

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distant future, this being an, a third
alternative for some of those areas.

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Yeah, very interesting.

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So you also talk about structured
water and hydrogenated water,

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what is this all about?

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Well, I just bring that up because
I know a lot of people like

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to talk about that right now.

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There’s a lot of topics people,
people like to, like to go on and

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on about, about water and sometimes
they’re maybe not the most, um,

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scientifically, like, proven things.

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So structured water is this idea
that water can, um, have a structure,

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uh, meaning the, the bonds in it
will, will, instead of being random,

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settle into a structured state.

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Um, there was a scientist in Japan who
did a bunch of tests on mood energy

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in relation to water and he, nobody’s
been able to replicate what he did.

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But, uh, so who knows if it’s true?

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And I’m not here really to
say that that is or isn’t true

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’cause it kind of doesn’t matter.

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Water is fluid, not to be obvious
about it, but water is fluid.

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Any structure you put in the water
is gone nearly instantaneously.

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Um, so if you have the, but the, the
ironic and funny thing is, if you have

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a way to keep water structured, it would
actually be better for your body if it

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was somehow able to enter your body and
remain structured as it entered your body.

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It would be, it would be.

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It would be more efficient in the work
it did, but, and so people take that and

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they say, okay, I want structured water.

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Water doesn’t stay structured.

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The closest thing we’ve been able
to scientifically get to having

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structured water, that stays
structured, is eating fruit.

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There is some structure to
the water that’s in fruit.

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If you then eat it and you get some of
that liquid in you, it actually remains

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mildly structured inside you for a moment.

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So that’s, there’s been
some evidence of that.

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But other than that, you can’t, you can’t
have water, even the scientist here in,

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uh, University of Washington who studied
structured water the most of anyone

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that I’m aware of, he said water doesn’t
retain its structure when you drink it.

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So, uh, it’s a little bit of ,uh,
snake oil for some people selling that.

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Uh, when, when you talk structured water,
when it enters the body, are you talking

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about the, uh, molecules separating and
breaking down from hydrogen and oxygen?

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It’s not even just that.

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Literally the, when I, when I’m talk,
when people talk about structured water,

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they’re talking about the, um, magnetic,
like the, uh, the layer that exists

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between the surface and the water.

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And that outside layer, where it’s
kind of against the surface, creates

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this tension, which creates an actual
shape when you’re looking at the water.

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Uh, it creates a shape to it
versus it being random, um, being

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floating around randomly, right?

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So that’s, that’s what it
really is talking about.

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And it, it doesn’t stay,

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yeah, when I say it doesn’t stay, it’s
kind of obvious if you think about it.

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You shake up that glass, or you
just tip it towards your mouth,

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it’s not gonna retain its structure.

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So, um, and then hydrogenated water,
if water was able to, uh, water

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that does have extra hydrogen, yeah,
there’s some reality there for sure.

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There’s some health benefits to that.

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It is not as, it is not as snake oil
salesy as, um, structured water is,

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there’s some genuineness to that.

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It’s hard to get, it’s really difficult.

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So you, you’re, you’re not gonna buy
a little bottle, water thing, like

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this big, that says it hydrogenates
water and then, and then have that be

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as effective as the $8,000
counter machines that they’re

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selling that really do that.

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So it’s, uh, and then the other thing
is, you gotta drink it within like an

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hour or two of, uh, you know, creating
your hydrogenated water as well.

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So there’s some truth to that.

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But you can’t, you can’t like let
it sit all day and expect it to

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be the same, it’s not going to be.

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And then, um, they’re currently,
the technology’s not really good

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enough to be able to really do much.

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I think they do a little bit, but really
not do much with those personal bottles.

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So, um, not, buying hydrogenated
water at a store, you have to make it.

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Uh, you can’t, you can’t
just buy it and expect it to

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actually still be hydrogenated.

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It’s not, that wouldn’t be possible.

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What about carbonated water?

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I, I noticed there’s a lot of this
carbonated water coming onto the market.

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I, I myself see that
as a destructive thing.

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What’s your take on it?

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Yeah.

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Um, I’d like to know why
you think it’s destructive.

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00:30:13,950 –> 00:30:18,090
I don’t, I don’t think much about
carbonated water other than it

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being, uh, you know, it’ll have
an effect on your stomach size.

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00:30:23,820 –> 00:30:30,420
Um, uh, an actual effect on, on the
literal size of your stomach, and

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that can make you hungrier for sure.

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Um, yeah.

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So, but other than that, I, I don’t
have much of an opinion about it.

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What, what do you think about it?

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So, so this doesn’t change or alter
the pH balance of the water at all?

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It will a little bit, yeah.

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Um, so pH balance of water is of, of
little actual, uh, if it’s super acidic

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or super alkaline, it can have an
effect, like extreme levels somewhat.

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But your body is more powerful
as far as the pH goes, more

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powerful than the water you drink.

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You will be overcoming
any pH issues from water.

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So, um,

429
00:31:23,370 –> 00:31:27,870
carbonated water as relates to pH, I,

430
00:31:30,060 –> 00:31:35,460
gosh, I don’t think that is
actually a significant factor.

431
00:31:37,200 –> 00:31:39,480
Um, yeah.

432
00:31:39,840 –> 00:31:43,830
I mean, if you’re adding carbonic
acid, it’s, it’s weak, right?

433
00:31:43,835 –> 00:31:44,005
But,

434
00:31:46,020 –> 00:31:52,229
but carbon dioxide reacting into carbonic
acid doesn’t seem like it’s actually going

435
00:31:52,229 –> 00:31:55,409
to have that much of a significant effect.

436
00:31:57,750 –> 00:32:03,300
So that, that will not attack
your teeth at all and all of

437
00:32:03,300 –> 00:32:06,060
that because of the pH then?

438
00:32:07,139 –> 00:32:07,409
No.

439
00:32:07,409 –> 00:32:11,729
I mean, minimally, if the pH is
really getting that bad, then yeah.

440
00:32:11,729 –> 00:32:14,669
If it becomes acidic, it
will definitely do that.

441
00:32:14,699 –> 00:32:20,699
But I don’t think that it is going
to create that level of an effect.

442
00:32:21,209 –> 00:32:26,580
I mean, it’s, it, yeah, I, we
haven’t seen that at least, so.

443
00:32:29,655 –> 00:32:30,075
Yeah.

444
00:32:30,615 –> 00:32:35,475
Uh, I’ve been curious about that for
quite some time because I’ve, I’ve heard

445
00:32:35,475 –> 00:32:43,815
so much about soda and pop, it’s being
carbonated is what rots your teeth.

446
00:32:44,145 –> 00:32:49,575
So this is what you do is help,
uh, uh, destroy the myths behind

447
00:32:49,575 –> 00:32:53,625
these things, and that’s why I
thought I’d throw that in there.

448
00:32:58,365 –> 00:33:00,824
Yeah, yeah.

449
00:33:00,824 –> 00:33:03,225
I mean, it becomes mildly acidic.

450
00:33:03,225 –> 00:33:08,475
But not like, not like lemon juice,
you know, not like stomach acid.

451
00:33:09,165 –> 00:33:14,304
So it’s, it’s like it becomes a
little closer on the acidic scale,

452
00:33:14,335 –> 00:33:16,725
just like drops a little bit.

453
00:33:16,725 –> 00:33:21,435
But it’s, it, if you were drinking
it constantly, I could see it

454
00:33:21,435 –> 00:33:22,905
having an effect on your teeth.

455
00:33:23,564 –> 00:33:26,235
It, it’s kind of back to
the, it’s a dosage thing.

456
00:33:29,835 –> 00:33:30,284
Yeah.

457
00:33:31,425 –> 00:33:35,685
You know, we, we could talk
for hours about water, Cydian.

458
00:33:35,965 –> 00:33:39,524
Is there anything that you need
to get in that’s very important

459
00:33:39,524 –> 00:33:40,965
for people to understand?

460
00:33:41,879 –> 00:33:45,659
The majority of our country
is on, um, city water.

461
00:33:45,750 –> 00:33:51,149
So if, uh, yeah, I’d like to
talk about that for a moment.

462
00:33:51,720 –> 00:33:56,670
Um, the Environmental Protection
Agency actually is, you know, the one

463
00:33:56,670 –> 00:34:00,840
who is gonna be setting the standard
for health, for city water, right?

464
00:34:02,040 –> 00:34:06,420
And they set two standards
for drinking water.

465
00:34:07,635 –> 00:34:11,715
I don’t think that I’m just trying to
bash the EPA, I’m not just bashing them.

466
00:34:11,715 –> 00:34:17,534
They, they, without them, we’d have a
lot more dead people, that’s for sure.

467
00:34:18,045 –> 00:34:25,335
But, um, but they, they, they, they
set two standards for drinking water

468
00:34:25,335 –> 00:34:28,965
because without it, there would be, um,

469
00:34:29,400 –> 00:34:31,650
there would be no municipalities.

470
00:34:31,799 –> 00:34:36,569
They, they have to set a health standard
for water and then they have to set a

471
00:34:36,569 –> 00:34:38,489
legal standard and they’re not the same.

472
00:34:39,120 –> 00:34:43,440
So the health standard is called
the MCLG, which stands for

473
00:34:43,440 –> 00:34:45,600
Maximum Contaminant Level Goal.

474
00:34:46,409 –> 00:34:51,000
The, the legal standard is MCL,
which is Maximum Contaminate Level.

475
00:34:51,600 –> 00:34:54,420
The maximum contaminate level
is the enforceable level.

476
00:34:54,870 –> 00:34:58,670
So anytime you go to a lab and you,
you take your water in and you say,

477
00:34:59,270 –> 00:35:03,255
and you say to them, and this is
where, this is where I want people

478
00:35:03,255 –> 00:35:08,235
to understand this because they, they
make this mistake at labs all the time.

479
00:35:08,865 –> 00:35:12,855
The, the person brings them their water
and they say, is my water healthy?

480
00:35:12,945 –> 00:35:17,055
And they give them the test to sample
and then, then the lab person comes

481
00:35:17,055 –> 00:35:19,275
back and says, your water’s healthy.

482
00:35:19,395 –> 00:35:21,404
Everything’s within the legal level.

483
00:35:21,975 –> 00:35:26,400
But that’s not the health level, the
health level is a different standard.

484
00:35:27,000 –> 00:35:30,900
So the person who’s asking the
question, yeah, the person who’s asking

485
00:35:30,900 –> 00:35:32,490
the question, is my water healthy?

486
00:35:32,790 –> 00:35:35,580
They’re thinking one thing when
they say, is my water healthy?

487
00:35:35,580 –> 00:35:38,819
But the lab is thinking another
thing when they hear that.

488
00:35:39,540 –> 00:35:43,290
Most people only think about the
MCL, they only think about the

489
00:35:43,290 –> 00:35:46,440
legal level ’cause they assume the
legal level is the health level.

490
00:35:47,009 –> 00:35:48,540
The legal level’s not the health level.

491
00:35:49,845 –> 00:35:54,825
It is, um, and I am paraphrasing what
the EPA says right on their website,

492
00:35:55,185 –> 00:36:02,714
it is the closest they can get to
the health level considering cost and

493
00:36:02,774 –> 00:36:05,415
other factors such as infrastructure.

494
00:36:06,225 –> 00:36:13,080
So that means the municipalities are
doing their very best to get stuff as

495
00:36:13,080 –> 00:36:17,220
close to the health level as they can,
but they can’t get all the way there.

496
00:36:17,549 –> 00:36:20,220
Arsenic, for example,
the health level is zero.

497
00:36:20,759 –> 00:36:26,850
The legal level is 0.01 parts per
million, so that’s not the same.

498
00:36:27,660 –> 00:36:32,520
If you go and you, you’re drinking
like 0.005 arsenic, you’re

499
00:36:32,669 –> 00:36:36,330
halfway to the legal level from
the health level, which is zero.

500
00:36:36,335 –> 00:36:39,840
So there’s a lot of arsenic in city water.

501
00:36:40,920 –> 00:36:41,460
Tons of it.

502
00:36:42,480 –> 00:36:43,230
Tons.

503
00:36:44,490 –> 00:36:48,960
So what about all of the pharmaceuticals
that people flush down their toilets?

504
00:36:48,960 –> 00:36:53,370
Because most cities, they
repurpose the water, don’t they?

505
00:36:53,370 –> 00:36:56,190
And refilter it and then reuse it.

506
00:36:56,580 –> 00:36:59,190
So do those levels keep rising?

507
00:37:00,685 –> 00:37:02,790
Yeah, so here’s the trick.

508
00:37:02,850 –> 00:37:05,160
Here’s the tough thing
about pharmaceuticals.

509
00:37:05,370 –> 00:37:08,490
They do rise, but they also fluctuate.

510
00:37:09,090 –> 00:37:14,490
So first of all, testing for
pharmaceuticals is very difficult still.

511
00:37:15,960 –> 00:37:17,520
You can do it, it’s costly.

512
00:37:18,299 –> 00:37:22,915
If you then get a positive result from a
pharmaceutical in your water, you could

513
00:37:22,915 –> 00:37:25,035
go back a month later and it’s not there.

514
00:37:25,705 –> 00:37:29,924
You could then find out there’s no
pharmaceuticals in your water one

515
00:37:29,924 –> 00:37:31,725
month and the next month there is.

516
00:37:32,294 –> 00:37:36,285
If you want to be safe from
pharmaceuticals, you, that’s one of

517
00:37:36,285 –> 00:37:41,625
the rare situations where you just
need to treat for pharmaceuticals so

518
00:37:41,625 –> 00:37:46,214
that you are not, um, not drinking
pharmaceuticals when they appear.

519
00:37:47,685 –> 00:37:51,134
And, uh, yeah, yeah.

520
00:37:51,225 –> 00:37:51,705
Luckily,

521
00:37:52,215 –> 00:37:52,735
I’m

522
00:37:54,855 –> 00:38:00,405
not gonna say this is like actually a
catchall, but if you, if you wanna do

523
00:38:00,405 –> 00:38:06,345
a catchall, you do a whole house system
that is a high grade catalytic carbon.

524
00:38:07,155 –> 00:38:12,015
And then you follow it up with an under
counter reverse osmosis for drinking

525
00:38:12,015 –> 00:38:17,895
water, you are pretty much guaranteed
to catch just about everything.

526
00:38:19,274 –> 00:38:24,555
Arsenic is a, maybe they could get
through as well as, um, bromide,

527
00:38:25,575 –> 00:38:30,585
but you could do a third little tiny
filter for those and then you’ve kind

528
00:38:30,585 –> 00:38:32,415
of got a catchall for everything.

529
00:38:33,254 –> 00:38:39,585
Um, and that would probably
cost most people around six

530
00:38:39,585 –> 00:38:41,415
grand, something like that.

531
00:38:42,524 –> 00:38:44,855
You know, between five and six thousand.

532
00:38:45,780 –> 00:38:51,510
And, and that’s for the whole system, the
tank plus the under the counter system?

533
00:38:53,220 –> 00:38:53,370
Yeah.

534
00:38:55,085 –> 00:38:59,250
And, and the install cost for,
for most, most install costs.

535
00:38:59,250 –> 00:39:01,710
You could, if you’re installing
it yourself, you could probably

536
00:39:01,710 –> 00:39:03,270
do it for close to $3000.

537
00:39:04,020 –> 00:39:06,810
You could probably figure
that out, right in that range.

538
00:39:07,440 –> 00:39:07,920
So,

539
00:39:10,455 –> 00:39:10,725
yeah.

540
00:39:10,725 –> 00:39:14,714
I mean, it’s, it’s very within
reach for many people to have

541
00:39:15,524 –> 00:39:17,384
a kind of a catchall system.

542
00:39:18,165 –> 00:39:24,120
It’s not, still not my recommendation
to do catchall systems, but, you

543
00:39:24,120 –> 00:39:25,830
know, I would want to do testing.

544
00:39:25,830 –> 00:39:28,890
And then if you then say, I
also wanna make sure I’m doing

545
00:39:28,890 –> 00:39:31,649
pharmaceuticals, we can adjust.

546
00:39:32,220 –> 00:39:38,190
But, but yeah, if, if someone wanted to do
that, then you’re pretty close with, uh,

547
00:39:38,220 –> 00:39:43,959
high grade catalytic carbon followed by an
under counter reverse osmosis and then a

548
00:39:43,990 –> 00:39:47,520
nano titanium oxide post-treatment filter.

549
00:39:48,180 –> 00:39:52,649
All those together, that’ll
pretty much cover most everything.

550
00:39:55,740 –> 00:39:56,580
Right on.

551
00:39:57,060 –> 00:40:03,060
Cydian, it, it’s wonderful talking
to you about these things, but some

552
00:40:03,060 –> 00:40:05,580
people may want help with this.

553
00:40:05,580 –> 00:40:08,965
How can they get ahold of
you and get more information?

554
00:40:10,185 –> 00:40:10,545
Sure.

555
00:40:10,965 –> 00:40:14,455
Um, yeah, our website is
purewaternorthwest.com.

556
00:40:14,475 –> 00:40:20,745
My name happens to be Cydian, which
means I’m really easy to, I’m, I’m

557
00:40:20,745 –> 00:40:22,545
really easy to find on the internet.

558
00:40:22,575 –> 00:40:24,615
If my name was Jeff, it might be harder.

559
00:40:25,155 –> 00:40:31,635
Um, so, but, uh, yeah, so that,
that’s how they, uh, I, if, if they’re

560
00:40:31,635 –> 00:40:36,045
short questions, I answer free,
free advice for people all the time.

561
00:40:37,049 –> 00:40:41,069
I actually, since I’ve started doing
some of these podcasts, I’ve, I’ve had

562
00:40:41,069 –> 00:40:46,799
people from like Tennessee call me and
people from Florida call me and just

563
00:40:46,799 –> 00:40:48,360
say, Hey, I’ve got a quick question.

564
00:40:48,840 –> 00:40:50,040
I was like, who is this?

565
00:40:51,569 –> 00:40:51,930
So.

566
00:40:53,235 –> 00:40:53,965
Yeah, yeah.

567
00:40:54,120 –> 00:40:57,660
If, if we can stay under two or three
minutes though, I don’t mind it.

568
00:40:59,310 –> 00:41:02,299
And I can usually answer
questions that are asked, so,

569
00:41:03,229 –> 00:41:03,669
Alright.

570
00:41:03,690 –> 00:41:08,160
Cydian, I wanna say thank you for
joining here today and sharing your

571
00:41:08,400 –> 00:41:10,740
knowledge and wisdom with us about water.

572
00:41:12,270 –> 00:41:12,450
Alright.

573
00:41:12,690 –> 00:41:13,800
Yeah, thanks for having me on.

574
00:41:13,800 –> 00:41:14,700
I really appreciate it.

575
00:41:24,495 –> 00:41:26,580
I used to drink the stories down,

576
00:41:28,950 –> 00:41:30,580
everything they handed out.

577
00:41:34,425 –> 00:41:35,654
Never asked a single question,

578
00:41:37,665 –> 00:41:39,795
just believed without direction.

579
00:41:41,805 –> 00:41:49,055
But something shifted in the light,
started seeing clear and bright.

580
00:41:49,055 –> 00:41:57,255
Crystal clear, truth flows through
lies, no more myths, no compromise.

581
00:41:57,615 –> 00:42:17,192
Cydian breaks the water code, science
speaks where fear once flowed.

582
00:42:17,192 –> 00:42:17,470
You’re now informed.

583
00:42:17,470 –> 00:42:25,225
You can feel it in the air,
something honest, something fair.

584
00:42:25,275 –> 00:42:32,085
Like a window opened wide,
letting sunshine flood inside.

585
00:42:33,945 –> 00:42:35,655
No more hiding what is real,

586
00:42:38,025 –> 00:42:40,755
this is how liberation feels.

587
00:42:40,945 –> 00:42:42,125
Crystal clear,

588
00:42:49,655 –> 00:42:51,585
truth

589
00:43:11,345 –> 00:43:16,745
flows through lies, no

590
00:43:22,355 –> 00:43:22,634
more

591
00:43:25,865 –> 00:43:30,165
myths, no compromise.

592
00:43:30,165 –> 00:43:45,484
Cydian breaks the water code,
science speaks where fear

593
00:43:53,254 –> 00:43:54,294
once flowed.

594
00:43:55,334 –> 00:43:55,614
You’re

595
00:44:00,754 –> 00:44:02,044
now informed.

596
00:44:02,044 –> 00:44:04,284
We were thirsty for so long,
drinking fear, it felt so wrong.

597
00:44:04,284 –> 00:44:05,653
Now the truth tastes clean and true,
pour a glass I’m sharing it with you.

598
00:44:05,653 –> 00:44:05,917
Crystal clear, truth flows through
lies, no more myths, no compromise.

599
00:44:05,917 –> 00:44:05,947
Cydian breaks the water code, science
speaks where fear once flowed.

600
00:44:05,947 –> 00:44:05,950
You’re now informed, pure
knowledge for every home.

601
00:44:05,950 –> 00:44:05,952
Pure knowledge for every home.