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Today we are speaking with Richard
Tierney, he created a program

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called Trauma Recovery Anonymous.

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Richard, could you please
introduce yourself?

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Let people know just a little
more about you, please.

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Okay, I’m Richard.

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Really great to be here.

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Thank you for having me, Ed.

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Uh, really cool.

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I’m loving these podcasts.

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I just, before I start, I wanna thank
people like yourself who wouldn’t have a

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chance to speak if it wasn’t for people
like yourself who started these podcasts.

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So for that first of all, I
wanna say thank you very much.

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Um, my name is Richard Tierney.

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I’m originally from Ireland.

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I’m living in Thailand.

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I’m now married, I’ve got two teenage,
well, they’re young adults now,

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they’re both going to university.

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One is twenty and the other
is just turning seventeen.

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They’re both in university.

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Um, I, I came from Ireland originally.

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I, I suffered, I’m sorry, I
cut myself shaving tonight.

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I should’ve left the
beard on, but I shaved.

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And I’ve got two wounds on either side
of my lips here, so please forgive those.

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It’s not a, it’s not a camera
thing, it’s me cut myself

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shaving in two distinct places.

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Seems crazy, I totally cut
myself once and I got two.

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Anyway, anyway, that’s, that’s, trivial.

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And I come from Ireland originally,
I’m married now, I’ve got two

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teenage, uh, young adults now.

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I keep thinking they’re
children, but they’re not.

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Um, so, uh, I, I live here.

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And I suffered a trauma when
I was twelve years of age.

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And it, it, really ruined,
ruled and defined me.

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And I was a victim for

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most of my life.

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Most of my, for forty
years I was a victim.

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Hated of the world, afraid of
everybody and everything, and, uh,

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pushed my family away, put my friends
away, fear of intimacy, of anything

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at all trying to have it reach me.

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And I got involved in addictions,
just trying to escape.

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It wasn’t that I wanted to
die, I didn’t want to live.

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I felt so ashamed of myself and I
felt I must have caused my abuse.

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I must have sent some signals.

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So all that kind of stuff as a child who
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stuff, was blaming myself for everything.

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And I got to stage four in AA, I
got a, what they call a sponsor.

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It’s like a mentor, someone who teaches
you how to become normal again, how

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to deal with and interact with people.

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I used to always be going on about my
victimhood, and he said to me one day, he

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said to me, Isn’t it time you let that go?

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I was, I was highly offended.

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Who do you think you are saying I
should let go of this victimhood?

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This is who I was, this is
my, my identity, you know?

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But it had come to a stage where
I’d actually really got comfortable

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having a, a mentor, someone outside
who was able to like be a father

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figure to me and direct me in my life.

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And I didn’t want to throw that away.

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Although normally I’d run
for the hills when someone

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would, would challenge me, Ed.

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It wasn’t like, so they were
saying I’d run for the hills

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and they’d never see me again.

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But I kind of wanted to keep this
going because it’s the one kind of

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sanity I had in my life was this
person calling my shots, you know,

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calling me on my crap or whatever.

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So I kind of decided I’d
try and find some solution.

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I love that the AA twelve step program,
this spiritual aspect to it, that we’re

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trying to heal a hole in our soul.

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That my trauma, no one can see my trauma.

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They can see how it manifests mentally,
physically, emotionally, but they

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cannot see that hole in my soul.

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You know, that I can be looking at
you here today and you can think, Oh,

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Richie looks like, apart from his,
his cuts and his, from his shaving,

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he looks like he’s, he’s sane.

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But inside, it’s a hole
that’s eating away at me.

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I can be feeling insane on the inside,
but outside, look, look normal, you know?

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And that’s where I was most of my life.

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I was going through my life, people look
at me thinking I’m a normal kind of guy.

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Where inside, just eating away at me.

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Ulcers, cancers, disease, dis-ease
with myself and the people around me,

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in conflict with the world around me.

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And that’s where I came from.

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Yeah.

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Well, I can really relate in
many ways to that, Richard.

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I myself, went through
lots of trauma early on.

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At nine years old I was addicted to drugs
and alcohol, and that’s pretty early.

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I went to Alateen, you know, and that
AA twelve step program sure does come

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in handy if, if you use it properly.

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And there’s, there’s a lot of us out here,
that we’ve went through a lot of trauma

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and we don’t know how to get rid of it.

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And it, it feels shameful and
dirty and, you know, heavy.

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It gets really heavy on us.

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After we find the light, and I really
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of that light when we can actually
sit down and have a conversation

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without feeling the guilt and the
trauma behind the conversation.

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What was the first step for you to
recovering out of this childhood trauma?

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I love your question.

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I, I’ve been blown away by podcasts
that seem to have wonderful ways of

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expressing questions that just, just
really kind of open up the whole story.

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So, so I, I, I knew from, from speaking
to this man that I was living a lie.

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So, so, so from my understanding was,
I, I, the A, the AA program took about

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twenty-four hours, one day at a time.

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And that never sunk in until
this whole trauma thing.

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So I’m sixty-three years of age, I I,
I’m a husband and, and I’m a father.

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I’ve got two grown children, I call
’em children, I, I think they be

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fifty, I’d be calling ’em children.

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My two grown children in university, you
know, and my mother-in-law in the house.

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We’ve got two dogs and whatever,

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and I live in Asia.

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But I only have these twenty-four hours.

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So my day to day was I get up at
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bed at 10:00 PM at night, normally.

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I’m on at midnight with you tonight
’cause of the time zone, but

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normally it’s 6:00 AM until 10:00 PM.

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And then at 10:00 PM at night,
I give my whole day to God.

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I mean, I’m not preaching.

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I’m not a religious person, I don’t do
church, I don’t do manmade religions,

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I’m not a member of a denomination.

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But I made a decision that at nighttime
I’d say, Okay, God, here’s my day.

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Here’s the good of it and the bad of it.

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My, my successes, my failures, my
wins, my losses, my challenges, what

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I failed to do, and what I should
have done, and what I didn’t do.

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Take all of it and give me
eight hours of peaceful sleep.

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And when I say I have the
conversation at night, for some

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reason it all leaves my head.

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I put my head on the pillow, I close my
eyes, and I sleep like a fucking log.

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Wake up the next morning and
it’s a case of a whole new day

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of sixteen hours in front of me.

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And I do from six until ten, eight
hours of work and eight hours of play.

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And I’ve committed to living
in those sixteen hours.

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And that’s the AA program, gave me
the gift of sixteen hours in a day.

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So I only live in
sixteen hours in the day.

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I don’t think the past is the
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the future is the present.

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I may not wake up tomorrow so the future’s
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realized isn’t anything to do with me.

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I’m sixty-three years of age.

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I’m in my life today as a parent, and
a husband, and a father, and a, and a

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trauma therapist and a member of recovery,
and I’m here on a podcast with you.

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This is my life, this is the
complete totality of my life.

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What happened fifty years ago didn’t
happen to the sixty-three-year-old man.

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Because if what happened to me as a
child, if that happened to me today,

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I’d be big enough and old enough
to say, No, that’s not happening.

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Get back, fuck off.

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I’d kill you.

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It wouldn’t happen to me.

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So I came to realize that I’m
carrying the memory of what

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happened to my younger self, and
I’m carrying sympathy pains for him.

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But he went through it, not me, you know?

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Like, I’m a sober person here.

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Thirty-eight years, thirty years,
years ago, I was a chronic alcoholic.

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Today, I’m not a chronic alcoholic.

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I’m sober today, I’m a
husband and a father.

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Thirty-eight years ago, you wouldn’t
trust me with your own children.

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You wouldn’t trust me in a
job, you wouldn’t trust me

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behind the wheel of a car.

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But today, I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m
trusted behind the wheel of a car.

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I’m trusted with my children, other
people’s children, I’m trusted

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in my, in my daily routines.

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You’re having me on my, on your podcast.

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If this would be thirty-eight years
ago, you wouldn’t leave me near the,

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the camera for fear I’d make some show.

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Or, you know, so I can’t be, I
can’t be in two places at once.

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Either I’m here with you today or I’m a
twelve-year-old child, fifty years ago.

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But I can’t be in both places at once.

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So, so that was my trauma.

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My, my understanding of trauma was,
I only exist today so what happened

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in the past didn’t happen to me.

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So it’s not my job to get vengeance or
justice for what happened in the past.

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It’d be like, it’d be like, I always
think of, Ed, if you and I were close

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friends and if you broke your leg and
I decided to put my leg in a cast and

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take medication for your physical pain,
what benefit would that be to you?

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I’m walking around with my good leg in a
cast, taking medication for your physical

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pain, medication for your emotional pain.

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How is that helping you recover?

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And then six months later, your leg
comes out of the cast and you’re fine.

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And ten years later, I’m still walking
around with my leg in a cast, still

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taking medication for your physical
pain, and your, your past, it’s over.

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How is that helping you in any way?

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And then the worst question is, when is
that no longer about you and all about me.

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That’s happened with my trauma, it was no
longer about the twelve-year-old child.

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I had taken ownership of it
as though it happened to me,

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and it hadn’t happened to me.

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It couldn’t happen to me because
I’m a, I’m a grown adult.

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If that person came near me as a
grown adult, I killed the fucker.

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He wouldn’t get anywhere near me.

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That was a twelve-year-old child
who lost their innocence, not,

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not a sixty-two-year-old man.

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So that, for me, was a turning point.

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I realized I had to find some way
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separate from the past and give
the past back to the younger self.

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That, that’s interesting
right there, Richard.

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You know, the comment, uh,
I had to teach someone.

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How big is that?

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When we actually develop the skills to
be better in ourselves, is it a natural

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thing that we want to help others recover?

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Well, I, we’re, we’re human beings.

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We’re, we’re, we’re, we’re, okay.

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The A A program gave me an
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completely different to the God I, I
knew growing up as a Roman Catholic.

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And even I, I tried joining a
Baptist church, didn’t work for me.

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I tried joining a Protestant
church, didn’t work for me.

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Tried to go back to my Roman
Catholic faith, didn’t work for me.

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Went to a Jesuit church,
didn’t work for me.

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Went to a Presbyterian, organized
religion doesn’t work for me.

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I just, I just realized that.

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It’s like in AA, there’s some
meetings that work for me, some

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other meetings I can’t stand.

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We’re all personalities,
we don’t all fit in.

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There’s people who can’t stand
me, people who just like me,

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and there’s people who like me.

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That’s just the way life is.

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Not everyone’s gonna like me,
everyone’s gonna love me, Ed.

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The same way certain normal
people, I cannot handle.

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Other normal people I love, you know?

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And other addicts that I don’t like
and other people I just, I love.

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I’m great with other AA members,
I’m not quite with members

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of other twelve step groups.

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We’re just different people, we just
think different, we do things differently.

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So I don’t get on well with addicts,
and addicts don’t get on well with me.

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I never did drugs.

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I don’t, I’m not the same mindset
as someone who uses drugs.

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And that’s not saying anything
bad about someone who does drugs,

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we’re just different people.

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You know, it’d be like different tribes.

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It’s like, I, I love this
concept of, when I was born, I

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was born into my parents’ tribe.

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Now, because I’m born into my
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my parents are my tribe, you know?

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My parents were hardworking
family people in Ireland.

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Now if I want to be a dancer, or a
a, a songwriter, or a footballer,

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or a sports player, I’m not a member
of my parents’ tribe, you know?

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They may want, want me to be a
doctor ’cause all the family were

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doctors, and I wanna be a dancer.

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Just means, it’s not that I, I’m
sitting wrong, I’m not in my tribe.

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But when I find my tribe, I fit into it.

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And in AA, I found my tribe.

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I am not a tribe member of the NA
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tribe, a member of the AA tribe.

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And I feel at home.

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Again, I tried Roman Catholic
faith, didn’t work for me.

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I’m not a member of that tribe.

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Not a member of the Baptist tribe,
or the, or the, uh, Anglican, or the,

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or the, or the, the, the Partisan,

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they’re just not my tribe.

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Nothing wrong with them.

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They work for some people and for some
people they’re their, they’re a God send.

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But for me, they’re not my tribe.

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So I like the concept of having my
own understanding of God, but I, I,

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again, I couldn’t, I couldn’t allow
myself to be in control of the process.

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So having my own understanding
could only go so far.

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I had to understand that I accept the
God of the Bible, just the, God the

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Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.

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Accept they’re, they’re, they’re
the God that I’m talking about.

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And they have my concept of them rather
than my concept of my understanding.

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If I go with my understanding of
God, my brother has be nice to me,

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stand on my side of the street,
fight for my battles, and you know,

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that’s not, that’s me being in
control like a go-gettcha God.

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So I had to pick a God outside
of me, just the God of the Bible.

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It is proven, proven by historians
and geologists that it’s true and

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that everything in it is true.

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So I accept that’s my God.

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Christ, He’s my God.

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Now, I don’t have to go to manmade
religion, don’t join a denomination.

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But I can accept that the God
of the Bible is my God, and

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that’s what helped me get over.

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‘Cause what I needed to do is
I needed to perform a miracle.

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I need miracles.

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And to defeat a trauma
memory, we need miracles.

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We need a change of attitude
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with a miraculous change in us.

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So I like to tell my clients that
when they do my program, they’re

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gonna experience seven miracles.

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For me, there were three
major and four minor.

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For, for another guy, they were all major.

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Again, it’s, it’s how it affects you.

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You’ll know whether it’s a big,
big miracle or a small miracle,

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but you’re gonna perform miracles.

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Manmade solutions don’t work,
medications and therapy don’t work.

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But solutions, spiritual solution does.

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Sorry, go on.

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No, that’s fine.

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Uh, it, it’s a good conversation.

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Uh, God is the center of everything
in many ways to a lot of people.

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And I really see those that deny God,
they, they tend to have problem lives.

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And that’s my own opinion,
I’ll, I’ll stick with that.

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And I, I think we all need a higher power.

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And when we step into a manmade
church, there’s always worry about

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how the rent’s going to be paid.

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You know, how many members I have?

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Am I saving?

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You can’t save anybody,
that’s not your job.

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You’re not the savior.

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And a manmade church always brings
inherent problems along with

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that because of the financial
difficulties in our world.

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So I, I really think that spirituality
is a personal thing between you

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and God, whoever your God might be.

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And you know, to me there’s one God.

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You have to really find that, and
it’s a journey within your life.

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I remember young, being young, and
I would go from church to church

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looking for, well, what’s inside
this building that everybody needs?

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Why are they a, a
congregation, if you will?

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Why does everybody have to feel this
is meant for you, this is meant for

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me, but on the other hand, we have all
these different, uh, denominations.

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So there’s a division there also.

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So when we talk religion, I, I really
get hung up on it when people want

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to say, You have to go to church.

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To me, you are in church every day.

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And you’re responsible for your actions
every day, every minute of the day,

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and it’s really about owning up to
your responsibility as a human being.

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You’re not gonna be perfect.

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But if you make a mistake, it’s all right.

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And knowing that, you have to
be accountable for your actions.

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I really think that finding that
truth beyond religion is where

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you’re going to find comfort.

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What do you think about that, Richard?

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I’d like to talk about,
uh, the, the, the religion.

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I don’t talk too much about
religion because it’s not a

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religious thing that I do.

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But there’s, there’s I, about, I’d like to
mention about God and Jesus for just, for,

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for a moment to give you an understanding
of how I came about my, my whole idea.

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Um, I, I used to think
there was good and evil.

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I really believed there was good and evil.

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You know, that Satan’s out to get
us and he, he’s trying to tempt us.

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It’s always good and evil.

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And I like the concept that, that, that

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God lives within us, the King of God,
God king, kingdom of God is within us.

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It’s not out there in the clouds.

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Not some guy dressed like a Thor
sitting in, in a, in an armchair

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in the clouds looking down here.

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It’s actually inside us.

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It’s in our imagination
that we’re the image of God.

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We are the I am.

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If we, anytime I use the words I
am, I’m invoking God in my life.

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So if I’m saying I am depressed, and I
am PTSD, and I am hated and no one likes

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me, I am inviting that into my life.

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I am creating that scenario and
manifesting that into my life.

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So I have to watch how I use God’s name.

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So I need to be saying, even
though I’m feeling, it’s like, I am

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gloriously happy, joyous and free.

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And if I say it enough,
it, I’ll manifest that.

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So I will change.

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It’s like that miracle, we said changing,
we said changing what we say, everything

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starts changing first, you know?

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But the, the guy who built out of the,
the talk about the guy who built the San

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Francisco Bridge, he had an idea first.

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He imagined what the bridge would look
like, and he had its idea in his head

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and found that he drew plans, and now
that, then they got the, the bridge.

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But the bridge came out
with someone’s imagination.

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And everything in our lives
comes from someone’s imagination.

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So if we wanna have a good life,
we have to imagine a good life.

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So there’s a practice called the dream
Prayer, and it’s basically manifestation.

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When you go to bed at night, there’s a
time just before you sleep when your,

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your, your conscious mind switches off.

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And in that moment, you can dream a dream.

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And dream the most beautiful dream
you can think of, of the future,

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but as though it’s happened already.

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It’s your dream of how you’re, you’ve got
rid of your trauma memory and it’s gone.

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And you’re a normal person where you
can fit in with your family and go to a

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party and feel comfortable and relaxed

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talking about the mundane, stupid
things that normal people talk about.

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That they can talk about and have
a long conversation, relaxed.

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Where we’re all hyper about the
poor me, what happened to me.

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To be relaxed and comfortable in that
space or public speaking, as yourself,

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speaking publicly at an event where
you’re calm and you’re confident.

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And you have this dream prayer
going to bed for about five or

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ten minutes you do every night.

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And then every time you have a
free moment, like you’re driving

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the car, or you’re sitting on the
toilet, you go back and revisit

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the dream as though it’s happened.

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And the idea behind a dream prayer
is, God hears you having this dream.

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He believes it must have happened already
so He makes it happen in your life.

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And He manifests it, He creates it.

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And certainly the event comes down with
your public speaking and you find you’re

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an ace, you coach your family too, and
you’re not all uptight over yourself.

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You are able to enjoy the conversation.

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You realize, I’ve had this dream,
I dreamed this dream in, in, in

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the future and it, it’s come about.

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This, a dream prayer is,
it’s basically manifestation.

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If we learn to dream prayer, we can
create whatever we want in our lives.

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So that was the first part of it.

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The second part was to, to, to,
for me, I had to accept that

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there’s no Satan, there’s no evil.

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That God is responsible for
everything, good and bad.

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And everything I go through, He,
He, it’s like the book of Job.

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If you ever read the book of
Job in, in the Bible, it’s,

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it’s, yeah, it’s powerful.

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This guy had everything and then
everything was taken from him.

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And then there’s, they’re talking about
Satan tempts and to see if he really

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loves God and he does all this to him.

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And at the end of it, God says,
I let this happen because I

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wanted to make you stronger.

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And I’m gonna give you back your
ten wives and your twenty children,

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and multiply it by tenfold.

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I like that concept.

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But the fact that everything that
happened to me, I went through my

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sexual abuse, um, addiction, terrible
bullying in school, really very bad

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bullying where I suffered in school.

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Was horrific bullying that would’ve killed
an elephant, would’ve flawed an elephant.

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But I survived all these horrific
things in my childhood, and then into

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breakups and rejection, and bullying
again as an adult, and all this kind

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of stuff, and not being misunderstood.

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All this kind of stuff that
happened to me on my journey.

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And certainly here I am, sixty-two
years of age, married with two teenage,

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well, I keep saying teenage children,
two young adults going to university,

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on Ed Watters Dead America Podcast,
creating a trauma program helping

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people break free of a past trauma.

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And I wouldn’t be here today if I hadn’t
suffered all those things in the past.

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And I saw myself suffering them.

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God gave me each of these challenges
to make me the person I am today.

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I couldn’t see it all along, I thought
Satan’s at, at me, or evil’s at me, or

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someone’s trying to block me from God, or
you know, trying to stump me, whatever.

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And looking back, I see there’s no Satan.

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God wants to make me stronger by suffering
all these events, so I become stronger.

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But what I went through would have
flawed an, flawed an elephant.

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I really believe another, another
child would’ve probably killed

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themselves than go through what I
went through, I, I suffered some

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horrific stuff.

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I don’t wanna trigger
anybody by talking about it.

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I don’t like talking about
what happened in the past, I

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don’t wanna trigger anybody.

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So now when I work with a client,
I tell the client, we don’t want

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to talk about what happened to you.

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The other person’s going to heal you.

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What we do is we, we label what happened
for every person that’s been, one

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label, that’s a loss of innocence.

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So twelve years of age, I
suffered a trauma event that

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caused me a loss of innocence.

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Thirteen to nineteen in boarding school,
I suffered numerous losses of innocence.

429
00:22:46,575 –> 00:22:49,755
Nineteen to twenty-five in early
relationships and being dumped

430
00:22:49,755 –> 00:22:52,575
and being made a fool of, I
suffered a loss of innocence.

431
00:22:52,575 –> 00:22:56,115
And then twenty-five to thirty-five,
again, bullying in the workplace,

432
00:22:56,115 –> 00:22:57,075
that kind of stuff, I suffered.

433
00:22:57,405 –> 00:22:58,615
So it’s all a loss of innocence.

434
00:22:58,635 –> 00:23:02,145
So we can’t compare our trauma
with anybody else, that’s

435
00:23:02,145 –> 00:23:03,010
the worst thing we can do.

436
00:23:03,750 –> 00:23:05,940
And if you tell people about
your trauma, they’ll judgment

437
00:23:06,180 –> 00:23:07,440
against what they’ve heard before.

438
00:23:07,680 –> 00:23:10,620
Again, it’s, so you just label
that thing as a loss of innocence.

439
00:23:10,620 –> 00:23:14,460
And my loss of innocence, and so maybe
if you were a veteran and, and you

440
00:23:14,460 –> 00:23:17,320
look back at your, your younger self
at the age of eighteen, enlisted to

441
00:23:17,430 –> 00:23:21,300
fight in, in the armed forces in, in
a foreign war, their loss of innocence

442
00:23:21,300 –> 00:23:22,680
is whatever happened in the war.

443
00:23:22,740 –> 00:23:26,550
It’s just called the loss of innocence,
before they, before they grew up

444
00:23:26,904 –> 00:23:28,884
knowing that man couldn’t harm man.

445
00:23:28,914 –> 00:23:32,364
And then they experienced an event with
some men performing horrors on other

446
00:23:32,364 –> 00:23:34,164
men, that was their loss of innocence.

447
00:23:34,465 –> 00:23:35,604
Mine was a sexual one.

448
00:23:35,784 –> 00:23:38,004
Someone else might have married into
a narcissistic abusive relationship,

449
00:23:38,184 –> 00:23:39,684
that’s their loss of innocence.

450
00:23:39,985 –> 00:23:41,914
We just use the label loss of innocence.

451
00:23:42,504 –> 00:23:43,705
I know what that means to me.

452
00:23:43,914 –> 00:23:47,424
So I’m not feeling threatened or triggered
by saying loss of innocence because

453
00:23:47,424 –> 00:23:48,524
I know exactly what it was for me.

454
00:23:48,524 –> 00:23:51,475
When you say loss of innocence,
you’re not comparing with me.

455
00:23:52,169 –> 00:23:54,000
You know exactly what your
loss of innocence was.

456
00:23:54,000 –> 00:23:57,215
And same with someone else who, who was,
who was a veteran, someone else who was in

457
00:23:57,220 –> 00:24:02,639
a relationship, someone else who saw 9/11,
they just labeled it a loss of innocence.

458
00:24:02,730 –> 00:24:05,700
And by admitting a loss of innocence,
they’re not triggered, they’re

459
00:24:05,700 –> 00:24:06,960
not going back into the trauma.

460
00:24:07,110 –> 00:24:08,970
It’s just a loss of innocence, you know?

461
00:24:09,270 –> 00:24:13,020
So that’s the idea with the God thing,
it’s a case of if we can accept that

462
00:24:13,020 –> 00:24:18,720
God’s in charge of everything, then it,
it helps us to, to break free of this.

463
00:24:18,720 –> 00:24:22,545
Because we realize what happened in
the past was part of my learning curve,

464
00:24:23,115 –> 00:24:24,834
was part to make me stronger today.

465
00:24:24,965 –> 00:24:27,735
But it isn’t meant to
define me, who I am today.

466
00:24:29,385 –> 00:24:32,865
So what happened in the past is not
my job to get, get vengeance for, get

467
00:24:32,865 –> 00:24:34,575
justice for, it didn’t happen to me.

468
00:24:35,685 –> 00:24:37,815
But like me getting vengeance
or justice for you, having

469
00:24:37,815 –> 00:24:39,045
your leg broken by some fellow.

470
00:24:39,645 –> 00:24:40,695
That happened to you,
didn’t happened to me.

471
00:24:40,695 –> 00:24:41,774
You can fight your own battles.

472
00:24:41,774 –> 00:24:44,865
Not for me to go around fighting
Ed Watter’s battles ’cause he,

473
00:24:44,870 –> 00:24:45,945
he was attacked and mocked,

474
00:24:46,274 –> 00:24:46,995
none of my business.

475
00:24:46,995 –> 00:24:47,774
I can cheer for you.

476
00:24:48,209 –> 00:24:50,860
It didn’t happen to me in the same
way it happened to a twelve-year-old

477
00:24:50,879 –> 00:24:52,260
child, didn’t happen to me.

478
00:24:52,260 –> 00:24:53,674
The thirteen-year-old child
or the eighteen-year-old

479
00:24:53,697 –> 00:24:55,290
child, didn’t happen to me.

480
00:24:55,290 –> 00:24:59,040
It happened to other people and I
have to stop fighting their battles.

481
00:24:59,189 –> 00:25:01,050
And they don’t even want
me to fight their battles.

482
00:25:01,169 –> 00:25:03,360
They’re thinking, What the
fuck are you doing coming in

483
00:25:03,629 –> 00:25:04,770
trying to fight my battles?

484
00:25:04,770 –> 00:25:05,189
You go off.

485
00:25:06,090 –> 00:25:09,449
I’ve sacrificed so much so that you’ll
be free today to have a life with your

486
00:25:09,449 –> 00:25:13,500
wife and your children, and Ed Watters,
and, and everyone else in your life.

487
00:25:13,560 –> 00:25:15,959
Would you please fuck off and leave
your life and stop coming back

488
00:25:15,959 –> 00:25:20,804
into the past and taking my shit
and giving it life in the future.

489
00:25:22,784 –> 00:25:24,435
That’s kind of the idea behind this.

490
00:25:25,845 –> 00:25:26,205
Yeah.

491
00:25:26,385 –> 00:25:33,284
So you talk about there can be no
effect when the cause is removed.

492
00:25:33,375 –> 00:25:36,254
That, that’s basically what
you’re outlining right there

493
00:25:36,254 –> 00:25:37,245
then, cause and effect.

494
00:25:40,014 –> 00:25:40,470
Yeah, yeah.

495
00:25:42,030 –> 00:25:42,720
Well, that’s the science.

496
00:25:42,720 –> 00:25:45,720
Science tells us that if, if,
if, if there’s no cause, then

497
00:25:45,990 –> 00:25:47,159
there can’t be an effect.

498
00:25:47,159 –> 00:25:51,540
If you, if you look at modern, modern,
uh, therapy today, we treat the effect.

499
00:25:51,810 –> 00:25:57,360
We treat people for PTSD, or depression,
or, you know, or any condition,

500
00:25:57,360 –> 00:26:01,410
any disorder that’s, the disorder,
but not the cause of the disorder.

501
00:26:01,500 –> 00:26:05,640
You know, if, if we’re treating the,
the disorder, not the cause of it, we’re

502
00:26:05,640 –> 00:26:06,870
gonna be treating the disorder forever.

503
00:26:07,170 –> 00:26:09,450
We’ve got something like, in this day
and age, there’s something like, in

504
00:26:09,450 –> 00:26:14,010
the last eighty years, we’ve got 1.4
billion people diagnosed with PTSD.

505
00:26:14,310 –> 00:26:16,390
That’s nearly a quarter of
the world’s population.

506
00:26:16,530 –> 00:26:18,480
Another eighty years, it’s
gonna be half of the population.

507
00:26:19,170 –> 00:26:21,310
We’re treating the
effect and not the cause.

508
00:26:21,540 –> 00:26:24,050
But if I treat your cause, so if
I work with you, Ed, and I get you

509
00:26:24,050 –> 00:26:27,220
to give your past back to, to your
young seventeen-year-old Ed, or young

510
00:26:27,220 –> 00:26:31,189
twelve-year-old Ed, and you have this
spiritual experience of outer body,

511
00:26:31,189 –> 00:26:33,919
you see it giving it back to your
young Ed and young Ed saying, Thank

512
00:26:33,919 –> 00:26:35,120
you for giving my shit back, Ed.

513
00:26:35,399 –> 00:26:37,050
I’m gonna fuck off and leave
this plane of existence.

514
00:26:37,070 –> 00:26:39,530
And they leave the plane of existence and
you feel the weight leaving your body.

515
00:26:40,010 –> 00:26:42,689
But once it’s gone, it’s like, all
this stuff you’ve been doing with

516
00:26:42,689 –> 00:26:45,779
your therapist for the last ten years
certainly is no longer, let me ask

517
00:26:45,779 –> 00:26:46,919
you, How does that make you feel?

518
00:26:47,009 –> 00:26:48,600
Sorry, it’s nothing to do with me.

519
00:26:48,870 –> 00:26:50,729
What happened to Ed’s leg
has nothing to do with me.

520
00:26:50,729 –> 00:26:52,199
It doesn’t make me feel
anything, you know?

521
00:26:52,620 –> 00:26:54,999
It’s not, what happened to my younger
self doesn’t affect me, it has

522
00:26:54,999 –> 00:26:56,069
nothing to do with my life today.

523
00:26:56,069 –> 00:27:00,809
My life is the sixteen hours with my
wife and my teenage, adult children.

524
00:27:01,079 –> 00:27:02,754
And my mother-in-law
and the dog, you know?

525
00:27:03,089 –> 00:27:07,110
And when we can separate from the
past, with the cause gone, there’s

526
00:27:07,110 –> 00:27:08,199
no longer any reason for the effect.

527
00:27:08,199 –> 00:27:12,120
So then we did the twelve step
program of trauma, recovering from

528
00:27:12,120 –> 00:27:13,784
doing all that learned behavior.

529
00:27:15,120 –> 00:27:20,789
Yeah, I, I kind of like the, uh,
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Stupid.

530
00:27:21,389 –> 00:27:27,479
Because when we, when we really keep it
simple instead of piling all of these

531
00:27:27,479 –> 00:27:34,195
thoughts and traumas on top of us every
day when we wake up in the morning and

532
00:27:34,195 –> 00:27:40,495
our feet hit the floor, it’s your choice
every day how you want to, number one,

533
00:27:40,735 –> 00:27:43,794
respond to anything that comes your way.

534
00:27:44,394 –> 00:27:52,915
And number two, how, how are you
going to make your day better?

535
00:27:53,634 –> 00:27:59,455
Because if, if we wake up and
something automatically triggers us,

536
00:28:00,135 –> 00:28:05,445
we have to work on trying to make
the day better from the very first

537
00:28:05,745 –> 00:28:08,685
instance of whatever triggers us.

538
00:28:09,465 –> 00:28:17,594
How do we, how do we locate and identify
our trigger points so we can be on top

539
00:28:17,594 –> 00:28:24,600
of those negative feelings that those
trigger points can actually put us into?

540
00:28:26,040 –> 00:28:28,889
Sorry for smiling, I love these questions
that, they’re, they’re, they’re wonderful.

541
00:28:28,934 –> 00:28:31,454
I, I wish I could think of these questions
before and then give ’em to you and say,

542
00:28:31,590 –> 00:28:33,629
Ask this question, Ed, when we get there.

543
00:28:33,840 –> 00:28:35,039
But like, you’re coming up
with these questions that are

544
00:28:35,039 –> 00:28:36,329
just mind blowingly wonderful.

545
00:28:36,329 –> 00:28:38,370
You know, very simple,
but, but very astute.

546
00:28:38,519 –> 00:28:42,329
So the, the thing is we have to
understand, if the past didn’t happen

547
00:28:42,329 –> 00:28:45,090
to us, then we can’t let it trigger us.

548
00:28:45,419 –> 00:28:48,539
So all the, we could do a list of
all the things that were triggered

549
00:28:48,539 –> 00:28:50,655
from and say, None of my business.

550
00:28:50,655 –> 00:28:51,405
None of my business.

551
00:28:51,945 –> 00:28:55,875
Again, I have to be very careful here
because you, you can’t just say to

552
00:28:55,875 –> 00:28:57,375
somebody, Okay, it didn’t happen to you.

553
00:28:57,375 –> 00:28:58,395
Ignore it, let it go.

554
00:28:58,425 –> 00:29:01,195
Because if you, if that is how you’ve
defined yourself for the last ten

555
00:29:01,215 –> 00:29:04,695
or twenty years and you, you become
your identity and you’re going to the

556
00:29:04,695 –> 00:29:08,784
support groups on it, maybe the veteran
support group, or the narcissists

557
00:29:08,804 –> 00:29:11,834
support group, or the, and you’ve been
a member of that group and you’ve been a

558
00:29:11,834 –> 00:29:15,764
speaker of that group and a voice and a
chairperson and all that kind of stuff,

559
00:29:16,215 –> 00:29:19,590
and suddenly I say to you, Yeah, this
didn’t happen to you, walk away, it

560
00:29:19,590 –> 00:29:24,030
can be very hard to walk away from your
identity if your identity has been victim.

561
00:29:24,870 –> 00:29:26,010
It’s nearly impossible.

562
00:29:26,010 –> 00:29:29,970
It, it really, so this is the
big challenge we have because the

563
00:29:29,970 –> 00:29:32,565
whole world says, You’re a victim.

564
00:29:32,775 –> 00:29:33,885
Celebrate victimhood.

565
00:29:34,035 –> 00:29:38,805
I mean, social welfare give you all these
benefits for the veterans, for PTSD,

566
00:29:38,805 –> 00:29:40,395
and for all these different conditions.

567
00:29:40,545 –> 00:29:45,075
And a part of that life of veteran is you
get all this social welfare benefits for

568
00:29:45,285 –> 00:29:49,485
PTSD and therapy and, and all this kind
of stuff you have coming on top of it.

569
00:29:49,485 –> 00:29:53,925
And there’s a huge, and there’s a
huge dependence upon the state to

570
00:29:53,925 –> 00:29:57,524
remain in that status, you know?

571
00:29:57,764 –> 00:30:01,274
It, it kind of stops you from being a
normal person in a job doing nine to

572
00:30:01,274 –> 00:30:03,125
five if you don’t have to ever work.

573
00:30:03,125 –> 00:30:05,955
Because now you’re getting all this
social welfare benefits, that means you

574
00:30:05,955 –> 00:30:10,725
need to never work and you can be retired
as part of a really strong, supportive

575
00:30:10,725 –> 00:30:12,914
network of support groups kind of stuff.

576
00:30:13,245 –> 00:30:15,344
But you lose yourself, your sense of self.

577
00:30:15,975 –> 00:30:18,495
But the payoff is almost like, okay.

578
00:30:18,495 –> 00:30:20,114
And I’m not knocking veterans.

579
00:30:20,205 –> 00:30:24,824
I think any, anyone who’s served
their country at any level should

580
00:30:24,824 –> 00:30:29,245
be entitled to all that social
welfare, whether they stay as

581
00:30:31,254 –> 00:30:34,154
a, as someone who’s been
damaged or they recover.

582
00:30:34,544 –> 00:30:37,935
So if you’ve been diagnosed with PTSD
and you are receiving benefits, and

583
00:30:37,935 –> 00:30:40,394
then you do this program and you, and
you’re healed, you should still be,

584
00:30:40,394 –> 00:30:43,725
receive those benefits the rest of
your life because you’ve volunteered

585
00:30:43,935 –> 00:30:45,104
to be of service to your country.

586
00:30:46,274 –> 00:30:48,824
I don’t think they should say,
Well, if you stop doing PTSD,

587
00:30:48,824 –> 00:30:49,754
you lose all that income.

588
00:30:50,745 –> 00:30:53,715
I think anyone who gives their life
to, for the benefit of their, of their,

589
00:30:53,719 –> 00:30:58,665
their, of their, their country or the
world, Army, Navy, Air Force, police,

590
00:30:58,814 –> 00:31:03,705
emergency workers, nurses, doctors,
if you serve your country or your,

591
00:31:03,794 –> 00:31:06,901
your world with distinction and you
suffer for it, you should be able to

592
00:31:06,901 –> 00:31:07,935
have it for the rest of your days.

593
00:31:08,715 –> 00:31:12,520
You can still get a job, but you don’t
lose the benefit of, we’re not paying you

594
00:31:12,520 –> 00:31:15,659
just for the, for the years you worked
in the Army, we’re gonna pay you for the

595
00:31:15,659 –> 00:31:19,050
rest of your life because you gave up your
years, your good years for the Army, or

596
00:31:19,050 –> 00:31:20,820
the Navy, or the Air Force, or emergency.

597
00:31:20,970 –> 00:31:25,020
We’re gonna continue to pay you
long after, till the day you die.

598
00:31:25,230 –> 00:31:27,450
We’re gonna make certain you need
never work again if you don’t want to.

599
00:31:27,450 –> 00:31:30,480
But if you do want to work, you
still get this benefit as well.

600
00:31:30,629 –> 00:31:33,149
We’re gonna readjust your tax,
we’re gonna increase your insurance.

601
00:31:33,629 –> 00:31:37,320
So that’s what I believe should happen
to anyone who’s been diagnosed with PTSD.

602
00:31:37,320 –> 00:31:40,950
So 1.4 billion people out
there diagnosed with PTSD.

603
00:31:41,340 –> 00:31:43,680
If you kick your PTSD, you
should still get those payments

604
00:31:43,800 –> 00:31:44,640
for the rest of your life.

605
00:31:45,000 –> 00:31:47,990
That’s something I feel very strongly,
but it, it’s not my, my position to say.

606
00:31:47,990 –> 00:31:51,600
But I want you to know, I
understand it can be scary.

607
00:31:51,600 –> 00:31:57,030
The idea if I clear my PTSD, I’m gonna
lose all these payments and I haven’t

608
00:31:57,030 –> 00:31:59,950
worked in twenty years and I’ve been
dependent on state for twenty years.

609
00:31:59,950 –> 00:32:03,870
So certainly I’m going to step out of
that comfort zone and try and find a job.

610
00:32:03,870 –> 00:32:07,470
And there’s no jobs going, and I’d
be kicked out of my, my, my home,

611
00:32:07,470 –> 00:32:10,639
or where I have my, my wellbeing
or my welfare, you know, I’ll lose

612
00:32:10,639 –> 00:32:12,120
all my, my network of friends.

613
00:32:12,150 –> 00:32:13,050
It’s almost safer.

614
00:32:13,680 –> 00:32:17,760
The pain we know is safer than
the pain we don’t know, that’s

615
00:32:17,760 –> 00:32:18,899
the biggest problem we have.

616
00:32:19,440 –> 00:32:23,100
For anyone with a condition, it’s
safer to stay in the pain you know.

617
00:32:24,480 –> 00:32:30,780
Uh, a friend of mine in AA, a veteran
of, uh, Korea, lovely man, it’s

618
00:32:30,960 –> 00:32:35,580
one of my sponsors I have in AA,
eighty-seven years of age, he is.

619
00:32:35,879 –> 00:32:37,080
And he spoke about the fact that

620
00:32:39,330 –> 00:32:42,647
if he did this program, and he, he
wouldn’t do it because if he did this

621
00:32:42,647 –> 00:32:45,570
program he’d have to get, he’d have, he’d
lose all his benefits and all of his,

622
00:32:46,430 –> 00:32:48,074
and he’s too old to get a job.

623
00:32:48,165 –> 00:32:51,854
He’s too old to try and find
something to live without the

624
00:32:51,854 –> 00:32:54,254
support, and that’s a huge problem.

625
00:32:54,854 –> 00:32:58,185
You know, I, I would love to see
some government, Donald Trump is god

626
00:32:58,185 –> 00:33:02,054
saying anyone who’s ever served this
country gets their social welfare

627
00:33:02,084 –> 00:33:04,185
for life, whatever happens, you know?

628
00:33:05,100 –> 00:33:08,610
I think that would be, hands down, the
first thing they should do is say, anyone

629
00:33:08,610 –> 00:33:12,270
who has served their country, Army,
Navy, personnel, ambulance, emergency

630
00:33:12,270 –> 00:33:17,844
workers, social welfare, social carers,
whatever, walking the, the, the, the

631
00:33:17,844 –> 00:33:21,719
human, the, the, these super crossing
with this, for kids walking across

632
00:33:21,719 –> 00:33:23,040
the road, school wardens, whatever.

633
00:33:23,745 –> 00:33:28,425
Whatever your situation is, you get social
welfare for life on top of you got a job.

634
00:33:28,665 –> 00:33:32,655
And we reduce your tax on your job so
you’d be, never have to run for anything.

635
00:33:32,835 –> 00:33:35,415
I think on a, on a, on a,
on a, that should happen.

636
00:33:35,415 –> 00:33:38,475
I’m not American, so I don’t have
a say in your country, but that’s

637
00:33:38,475 –> 00:33:39,315
what I’d love to see happen.

638
00:33:39,315 –> 00:33:41,415
And if anyone is to do anything, Donald
Trump’s the one who would do it and I

639
00:33:41,415 –> 00:33:42,990
wish he would do something like that.

640
00:33:42,990 –> 00:33:45,585
So anyway, that’s what I need
to say first and foremost.

641
00:33:45,585 –> 00:33:50,550
Because it’s, the idea of saying to
someone with PTSD or depression, Let’s

642
00:33:50,610 –> 00:33:54,540
cure you of the past trauma memory and
then you can be free of your depression

643
00:33:54,540 –> 00:33:56,580
and PTSD, there’s a catch in this.

644
00:33:56,810 –> 00:34:01,200
Because if they’re free of the PTSD, they
may feel, the people I’ve worked with,

645
00:34:01,205 –> 00:34:07,170
with PTSD, they’re the most honorable
people I’ve known that can’t live a lie.

646
00:34:07,380 –> 00:34:10,980
They can’t claim PTSD benefits
if they don’t have PTSD.

647
00:34:11,880 –> 00:34:12,389
You know what I mean?

648
00:34:12,659 –> 00:34:15,120
They’re not someone who would
be willing to cheat the system

649
00:34:15,554 –> 00:34:17,624
even though the system
doesn’t take care of them.

650
00:34:17,624 –> 00:34:21,705
They’ve, they’ve got loads of morals
and honor that they wouldn’t dream

651
00:34:21,705 –> 00:34:26,234
of, I think most young men who go
off and fight in the war are this

652
00:34:26,234 –> 00:34:31,484
very moral, kind of honorable young
people who suffer the horrors of war.

653
00:34:31,844 –> 00:34:35,745
And then they, they, they still have
their morals and their ethics about them

654
00:34:35,984 –> 00:34:39,884
and they wouldn’t dream of committing any
crime or, you know, that kind of stuff.

655
00:34:39,944 –> 00:34:43,304
And so you, you’re talking about
doing this program and in two hours

656
00:34:43,304 –> 00:34:44,909
having your trauma memory gone.

657
00:34:45,405 –> 00:34:48,165
Do the twelve step program,
have your PTSD gone, and step

658
00:34:48,165 –> 00:34:49,784
back into, into the human race.

659
00:34:49,784 –> 00:34:52,155
It’s almost like, the price is too high.

660
00:34:53,685 –> 00:34:55,395
Yeah, yeah.

661
00:34:55,395 –> 00:34:58,965
It’s kind of interesting.

662
00:34:59,265 –> 00:35:08,115
You know, we, we think about trauma a lot
in our lives and it, it’s really one of

663
00:35:08,115 –> 00:35:12,375
those big highlights that get overlooked.

664
00:35:12,915 –> 00:35:19,754
You know, uh, we, we, we find a
solution, and that’s the answer.

665
00:35:20,115 –> 00:35:23,504
And it’s, it’s one fits all.

666
00:35:23,625 –> 00:35:32,310
And, and I, I think we really need to
reexamine that whole mindset of how

667
00:35:32,415 –> 00:35:34,845
we look at trauma in the first place.

668
00:35:34,845 –> 00:35:41,565
Because like you stated a little earlier
in your conversation, my trauma is not

669
00:35:41,565 –> 00:35:47,145
the same as somebody else’s, your trauma
is not the same as somebody else’s.

670
00:35:47,145 –> 00:35:54,645
So we all kinda live our lives
and we experience traumas

671
00:35:54,675 –> 00:35:57,915
daily, but they’re not the same.

672
00:35:58,065 –> 00:36:02,715
And we really have to remember
that in a lot of the ways.

673
00:36:03,435 –> 00:36:07,725
Let’s talk a little bit
about your program, Richard.

674
00:36:08,714 –> 00:36:13,845
What is it and how did you
actually come up with it?

675
00:36:16,305 –> 00:36:16,665
Okay.

676
00:36:17,174 –> 00:36:18,075
Thank you, again.

677
00:36:18,285 –> 00:36:19,274
I’m loving these questions.

678
00:36:19,665 –> 00:36:23,654
Uh, I got to work in, in an addiction
center in Chiang Mai in Thailand.

679
00:36:23,865 –> 00:36:24,765
Can I mention the name?

680
00:36:27,259 –> 00:36:30,855
Uh, it’s called The Cabin, it’s
the first addiction center in Asia.

681
00:36:31,185 –> 00:36:34,305
Uh, a group of four, uh, English
lads that got together and organized

682
00:36:34,305 –> 00:36:35,955
the center, and a huge success.

683
00:36:36,075 –> 00:36:37,785
At one stage, it was 120 beds.

684
00:36:38,145 –> 00:36:39,855
The biggest center probably in the world.

685
00:36:40,274 –> 00:36:43,095
A huge success rate with,
with, with addiction primarily.

686
00:36:43,095 –> 00:36:46,154
And I, I worked as a support staff
and then I, ’cause I, I’d done,

687
00:36:46,725 –> 00:36:51,524
uh, practice like EFT and Reiki
and whatever, I got to change over

688
00:36:51,524 –> 00:36:53,774
to a, uh, holistic practitioner.

689
00:36:54,075 –> 00:36:59,465
To huge, and getting work from clients
and also holding, uh, twelve, twelve,

690
00:37:00,175 –> 00:37:02,745
twelve step spaces and, and the likes.

691
00:37:02,745 –> 00:37:05,705
And I got to run some meditation
groups and I really enjoyed it,

692
00:37:05,705 –> 00:37:06,915
it was really, really powerful.

693
00:37:07,275 –> 00:37:12,345
And when I got to working with clients,
and I got to work with clients who, I

694
00:37:12,345 –> 00:37:18,045
think because the center primarily looked
at addiction, there were some clients kind

695
00:37:18,045 –> 00:37:21,765
of slipping through the cracks and they
felt it’d be a good idea to give them a,

696
00:37:21,765 –> 00:37:24,495
a, an induction to, to holistic practices.

697
00:37:25,035 –> 00:37:27,465
Maybe that would give them some,
they weren’t there for addiction.

698
00:37:27,870 –> 00:37:30,089
They’re more there for
trauma or that kinda stuff.

699
00:37:30,089 –> 00:37:34,979
So they tried different breath like TRE,
and Miseph, and other Reiki, and whatever,

700
00:37:35,399 –> 00:37:37,109
just something that might help them.

701
00:37:37,379 –> 00:37:38,819
And they got to try some different things.

702
00:37:38,819 –> 00:37:42,180
And I got to work with about,
about a hundred clients.

703
00:37:42,330 –> 00:37:45,569
I had huge success, absolutely
fantastic success with, with them

704
00:37:45,569 –> 00:37:47,520
all using this healing event.

705
00:37:47,520 –> 00:37:49,950
So the idea of the healing
event is, it’s basically a

706
00:37:49,950 –> 00:37:51,720
visualization, it’s all holistic.

707
00:37:52,920 –> 00:37:56,640
First of all, I need, need to
probably, I stand, I, I hold

708
00:37:56,700 –> 00:38:00,955
really strong in my mind is I think
there’s two forms of mental illness.

709
00:38:02,400 –> 00:38:05,880
In my early, early years, I had two
mental health professionals who worked

710
00:38:05,880 –> 00:38:09,420
with me, and they were the most kind,
caring, loving, empathetic people.

711
00:38:09,480 –> 00:38:10,560
They were really powerful.

712
00:38:10,890 –> 00:38:13,860
And now I think mental health
professionals are qualified to

713
00:38:13,860 –> 00:38:16,860
work with mental illness, and I’m
not a mental health professional.

714
00:38:17,070 –> 00:38:18,740
I couldn’t help you when it
comes to mental health, it’s

715
00:38:18,740 –> 00:38:19,500
a matter out of my depth.

716
00:38:19,529 –> 00:38:20,160
I couldn’t help you.

717
00:38:20,760 –> 00:38:23,370
But I believe that mental
disorders are caused by us

718
00:38:23,410 –> 00:38:25,080
bringing the past into the present.

719
00:38:26,205 –> 00:38:29,055
They cause a dysregulation in our
thinking and in our feeling, whatever.

720
00:38:29,055 –> 00:38:30,884
And that’s what a disorder is.

721
00:38:30,884 –> 00:38:33,495
Whereas a mental illness is something
that you’re born with, or you

722
00:38:33,495 –> 00:38:36,674
suffer in an accident, or something
happens that affects your brain.

723
00:38:37,515 –> 00:38:40,095
So mental health professionals are
qualified and they go to college

724
00:38:40,095 –> 00:38:41,234
to learn how to deal with that.

725
00:38:41,834 –> 00:38:44,745
But the mental disorders, that’s
why life coaches, and holistic

726
00:38:44,745 –> 00:38:49,275
practitioners, and cognitive therapists
can all help with mental disorder.

727
00:38:49,275 –> 00:38:52,124
Because it’s, it’s a dysregulation
of our emotions and our feelings

728
00:38:53,174 –> 00:38:54,285
and our thought patterns.

729
00:38:54,674 –> 00:38:57,615
And that’s why so many people
can help in this regard.

730
00:38:58,125 –> 00:39:02,265
So my idea was that, well, again, if it’s
cause and effect, and if we can get rid of

731
00:39:02,265 –> 00:39:06,435
the cause, well, then like a twelve step
program like AA would be fantastic if you

732
00:39:06,435 –> 00:39:08,775
create a twelve step program for trauma.

733
00:39:09,165 –> 00:39:13,515
To do the twelve steps to get rid of
the, the learned behaviors of depression,

734
00:39:13,515 –> 00:39:16,185
PTSD, whatever that disorder you have is.

735
00:39:17,385 –> 00:39:18,315
They’re learned behaviors.

736
00:39:18,555 –> 00:39:21,765
When, when we’re suffering with
something like PTSD or depression, our

737
00:39:21,765 –> 00:39:25,365
behavior towards our family and friends
become distorted and dysfunctional.

738
00:39:25,725 –> 00:39:27,885
We’re pushing people away who are
trying to get close to us, who love us.

739
00:39:28,035 –> 00:39:31,215
Because we’re so scared of empathy
and kindness that we’re hurting the

740
00:39:31,255 –> 00:39:33,920
people we love and we’re getting
divorced from our wives and husbands.

741
00:39:34,575 –> 00:39:35,595
And that’s all that learned behavior

742
00:39:35,595 –> 00:39:37,095
we have to change.

743
00:39:37,395 –> 00:39:41,145
So we do a twelve step program similar
to the twelve steps of AA, but different.

744
00:39:41,415 –> 00:39:44,595
But it helps us to undo all
that learned behavior that was

745
00:39:44,595 –> 00:39:46,015
so dysfunctional in our lives.

746
00:39:46,375 –> 00:39:49,575
So there’s two parts, one is the
healing event I call The Healing Event.

747
00:39:49,575 –> 00:39:53,505
It’s, it’s trauma, it’s how
to heal any past trauma now.

748
00:39:53,745 –> 00:39:58,365
So I take the clients to four
sections of this healing event.

749
00:39:58,815 –> 00:40:01,905
The first section is Seven
Foundations, Spiritual Foundation

750
00:40:01,905 –> 00:40:06,285
Stones for Performing the Seven
Miracles for Changing our Attitude

751
00:40:06,285 –> 00:40:08,115
or our Perspective around the Past.

752
00:40:08,235 –> 00:40:10,935
That the past didn’t happen to us,
it happened to our younger self.

753
00:40:11,265 –> 00:40:12,835
And we need to give it
back to our younger self.

754
00:40:13,955 –> 00:40:18,270
And those, and those seven
foundations, cornerstones, we actually

755
00:40:18,270 –> 00:40:20,700
laid the foundations where we’re
actually ready to give it away.

756
00:40:21,960 –> 00:40:25,200
And then the next two sections, the next
one is clearing, clearing our heads of

757
00:40:25,200 –> 00:40:26,970
the stinking thinking, faulty feelings.

758
00:40:27,540 –> 00:40:30,540
And then we have to also clean our hands
of all the negative energy in our hands.

759
00:40:30,900 –> 00:40:33,779
In, in the Bible, Jesus healed
by laying his hands on people.

760
00:40:34,479 –> 00:40:38,339
We’ve got so much energy
blocked in our hands, you know?

761
00:40:38,339 –> 00:40:42,150
You know, that, that they talk
about the thumb holds your anxiety.

762
00:40:42,720 –> 00:40:44,490
So you suck your thumb
to release your anxiety.

763
00:40:44,940 –> 00:40:50,700
Your middle finger is for anger,
give the middle finger, yeah.

764
00:40:50,700 –> 00:40:53,780
So you have four fingers for
fear, your ring finger’s for

765
00:40:53,780 –> 00:40:56,010
sadness and grief, and the little
finger’s for trust and boundaries.

766
00:40:56,310 –> 00:40:59,800
The center of the palm of your hand is for
panic, the side of your hand is stress.

767
00:41:00,590 –> 00:41:03,120
So there’s all these emotions that
get locked up in our hands, we have

768
00:41:03,120 –> 00:41:05,160
to cleanse our hands of this energy.

769
00:41:05,160 –> 00:41:08,220
So we do this practice also, we get
rid of the energy out of our hands.

770
00:41:08,640 –> 00:41:10,750
Clearing the, this stinking
thinking, faulty in our head.

771
00:41:11,100 –> 00:41:12,480
And then we get to the torso.

772
00:41:12,930 –> 00:41:16,171
We actually, in a visualization,
we give the past the bag that

773
00:41:16,176 –> 00:41:17,550
we carried on our shoulders.

774
00:41:18,300 –> 00:41:20,520
We give this bag, we take it off our
back and we give it to our younger

775
00:41:20,520 –> 00:41:22,259
self and we see them taking it from us.

776
00:41:22,710 –> 00:41:25,650
And in that moment we feel this
release in our bodies, mentally,

777
00:41:25,680 –> 00:41:27,560
physically, emotionally, spiritually.

778
00:41:27,610 –> 00:41:29,080
A great weight’s lifted off our shoulders.

779
00:41:29,640 –> 00:41:31,590
And in that moment you know
without a shadow of a doubt

780
00:41:31,930 –> 00:41:32,850
that it’s gone from your body.

781
00:41:33,840 –> 00:41:37,470
It’ll be like two hours ago you were
suffering with nightmares and flashbacks,

782
00:41:37,740 –> 00:41:39,030
now you’re completely in a peace of mind.

783
00:41:40,560 –> 00:41:43,140
It takes about two hours, it’s quite
mind blowing when you see it happen.

784
00:41:43,470 –> 00:41:47,190
And each of these clients I worked with,
I, I had a, I had a shorter version for

785
00:41:47,190 –> 00:41:50,100
about forty minutes, and at the end of
the forty minutes, they would be free

786
00:41:50,100 –> 00:41:51,810
completely of the past trauma memory.

787
00:41:52,620 –> 00:41:54,345
But I hadn’t got a twelve
step program created.

788
00:41:54,915 –> 00:41:58,585
So I did the trauma, the healing
event, but I hadn’t got a twelve

789
00:41:58,585 –> 00:41:59,475
step program for follow up.

790
00:41:59,475 –> 00:42:02,755
And that, so I spent the next four
years working on a twelve step program.

791
00:42:03,555 –> 00:42:07,185
And, uh, when I finally got a twelve
step, and I, I looked at AA and I knew

792
00:42:07,185 –> 00:42:09,735
I couldn’t use the twelve, AA twelve
steps the way they were written.

793
00:42:09,735 –> 00:42:11,145
This wouldn’t suit for trauma.

794
00:42:11,805 –> 00:42:13,945
And I, I looked around to see if
there’s any twelve step programs

795
00:42:13,965 –> 00:42:17,175
created for trauma and people were
just taking the twelve steps of

796
00:42:17,300 –> 00:42:19,815
AA, taking out the word alcohol and
replacing it with the word trauma.

797
00:42:20,475 –> 00:42:21,294
And that wouldn’t work.

798
00:42:21,294 –> 00:42:24,004
Because in, in, in AA and in
other twelve step programs,

799
00:42:24,345 –> 00:42:25,874
we’re abstaining from a behavior.

800
00:42:26,624 –> 00:42:30,555
We’re abstaining from drink or drugs,
or sex or porn, whatever it is, okay?

801
00:42:31,064 –> 00:42:33,615
But in trauma, because we’ve
given the past back to our younger

802
00:42:33,615 –> 00:42:35,745
self, it’s gone from our psyche.

803
00:42:35,745 –> 00:42:37,845
So we’re not abstaining from
something that we don’t have anymore.

804
00:42:38,685 –> 00:42:40,544
We have the memory, we
don’t have the details.

805
00:42:41,055 –> 00:42:42,104
This is the crucial point.

806
00:42:42,464 –> 00:42:42,705
Um,

807
00:42:45,015 –> 00:42:47,565
we’re human beings, we have every
memory going back to childhood.

808
00:42:47,865 –> 00:42:49,905
You may have suppressed memories,
but we have all our memories

809
00:42:49,905 –> 00:42:51,015
back to when we were a child.

810
00:42:51,225 –> 00:42:53,795
I remember at the age of eight,
being in an egg and spoon race.

811
00:42:53,795 –> 00:42:56,825
I thought I was in the Olympics running
down a field with an egg, an egg and

812
00:42:56,825 –> 00:42:58,965
a spoon with my friends in a race.

813
00:42:58,965 –> 00:43:00,225
You know, this kind of stuff.

814
00:43:00,225 –> 00:43:02,175
I’m sixty-three, but I remember
these, I remember these events.

815
00:43:02,175 –> 00:43:03,825
Now, I don’t remember the details.

816
00:43:03,825 –> 00:43:06,255
I don’t remember if it was a sunny day,
I don’t remember if the wind was blowing,

817
00:43:07,095 –> 00:43:08,790
I don’t remember if it was raining, I
don’t remember if I was hot and sweaty.

818
00:43:08,821 –> 00:43:11,339
But I remember I did, I ran in
this egg and spoon race at the

819
00:43:11,339 –> 00:43:13,110
age of eight, or nine, or seven.

820
00:43:13,110 –> 00:43:14,160
But I don’t have the details.

821
00:43:14,910 –> 00:43:18,660
When we bring a past event into the
present, we carry all the details.

822
00:43:18,930 –> 00:43:21,540
We can remember exactly
the details of the event.

823
00:43:21,960 –> 00:43:25,140
When we give the event away to
our younger self, the details go.

824
00:43:25,440 –> 00:43:26,730
And then we only have
the memory of the event.

825
00:43:26,730 –> 00:43:29,520
So I have the memory today of something
happening to a twelve-year- old child.

826
00:43:29,910 –> 00:43:31,950
And I can tell you what it was,
but I don’t wanna trigger anybody.

827
00:43:32,370 –> 00:43:33,450
But I don’t have the details of it.

828
00:43:33,839 –> 00:43:35,370
I, I, I don’t, I just don’t have them.

829
00:43:35,610 –> 00:43:36,660
They’ve left my psyche.

830
00:43:37,185 –> 00:43:39,660
It’s almost like one minute I had all
these details of what happened to the

831
00:43:39,660 –> 00:43:43,154
twelve-year-old child and I could describe
them in detail, and now they’re gone.

832
00:43:44,055 –> 00:43:45,255
And I can’t explain how they’re gone.

833
00:43:45,255 –> 00:43:48,295
But when I gave the baggage back
to him, the details went with him.

834
00:43:48,855 –> 00:43:50,025
And that’s what happens in the event.

835
00:43:50,025 –> 00:43:51,465
So the details gone.

836
00:43:52,245 –> 00:43:54,975
It’s almost like if I talk about what
happened to that child, I know I’m talking

837
00:43:54,975 –> 00:43:57,944
about that child, not what happened to
me because I don’t have the details.

838
00:43:57,944 –> 00:44:00,779
I can’t own the details, that’s the idea.

839
00:44:00,779 –> 00:44:04,350
So the event gives that away, and
then we do the twelve step program to

840
00:44:04,560 –> 00:44:07,290
clean our side of the street because
we’re not, we’re not abstaining from

841
00:44:07,290 –> 00:44:09,270
anything because we’ve given it away.

842
00:44:09,600 –> 00:44:10,859
Now we’re just cleaning
our side of the street.

843
00:44:13,140 –> 00:44:13,890
Does that make sense?

844
00:44:15,509 –> 00:44:17,669
That’s the whole, that’s the
program in, in a nutshell.

845
00:44:20,925 –> 00:44:26,325
So, so Richard, uh, when you’re,
when you’re talking about the

846
00:44:26,325 –> 00:44:32,025
energy zones in the body, is that
bringing that Reiki into your

847
00:44:33,015 –> 00:44:33,555
Yeah.

848
00:44:33,825 –> 00:44:38,715
Well, I, I, I love, uh, uh,
EFT, Tapping, and Acupressure.

849
00:44:39,825 –> 00:44:43,245
They’re the two that made the, the most,
but again, I’ve got a friend of mine who

850
00:44:43,245 –> 00:44:45,435
does Tai Chi and his stuff is wonderful.

851
00:44:45,899 –> 00:44:49,080
I’ve got another friend of mine who’s,
who’s a yoga instructor, and his, his

852
00:44:49,080 –> 00:44:50,279
breathing practices are wonderful.

853
00:44:50,580 –> 00:44:53,850
I think there’s so much more out
there that I haven’t tapped into.

854
00:44:54,390 –> 00:44:57,689
And I can see this program I’ve created
is powerful, but I can see someone

855
00:44:57,689 –> 00:45:01,500
else coming along that has EFT, and
Reiki, and Acupressure, but also has

856
00:45:01,500 –> 00:45:07,009
Tai chi and Yoga and steps into this
space and creates a program that’s

857
00:45:07,009 –> 00:45:08,220
even ten times better than what I have,

858
00:45:08,700 –> 00:45:09,089
you know?

859
00:45:10,140 –> 00:45:12,870
The one thing thing about holistic
practices and spiritual practices is

860
00:45:13,439 –> 00:45:15,149
there’s a huge whole frontier out there.

861
00:45:15,975 –> 00:45:18,795
I’ve, I’ve, I’ve created
this program that works.

862
00:45:19,035 –> 00:45:20,645
Uh, it, it works, I just know it works.

863
00:45:20,715 –> 00:45:26,775
I’ve worked with 105 people who have
all broken free of their trauma, PTSD,

864
00:45:26,775 –> 00:45:30,375
depression, whatever it was, they’ve,
they’ve broken through their loss of

865
00:45:30,375 –> 00:45:33,495
innocence and they’re free and living
their lives now as normal people.

866
00:45:34,305 –> 00:45:37,305
So, but I know that there’s people
out there who could probably take

867
00:45:37,305 –> 00:45:38,865
this a step further, you know?

868
00:45:39,075 –> 00:45:41,895
I, as much as I, I say I have
God in my life, I think that

869
00:45:41,895 –> 00:45:44,174
probably there’s some Christian out
there who could probably perform

870
00:45:44,174 –> 00:45:44,904
miracles.

871
00:45:44,924 –> 00:45:48,435
You know, who could, who could talk to you
in such a way that would give you such a

872
00:45:48,435 –> 00:45:52,995
sense of calmness that after you’ve spoken
to them you’d feel this sense of calmness.

873
00:45:52,995 –> 00:45:54,855
Like they, they’ve worked
a miracle on you, you know?

874
00:45:54,975 –> 00:45:58,185
And again, holistic practitioners,
my friends who do Tai Chi, I think if

875
00:45:58,185 –> 00:46:01,575
they could learn my stuff and their Tai
Chi, they’d take it to another level.

876
00:46:02,325 –> 00:46:04,814
I have no doubt that other people
can do a better job than me.

877
00:46:05,325 –> 00:46:07,995
But I know what I’ve done and
what I’ve achieved so far.

878
00:46:09,044 –> 00:46:10,004
This program works.

879
00:46:10,770 –> 00:46:13,800
And if you have a past trauma memory
that’s, that’s, that’s ruling and

880
00:46:13,800 –> 00:46:16,350
defining you and you wanna be rid
of it, you do this program and

881
00:46:16,350 –> 00:46:17,850
you’re free in, in three hours.

882
00:46:19,560 –> 00:46:20,310
Interesting.

883
00:46:20,779 –> 00:46:26,049
You know, a lot of that goes back to
finding that tribe that you talked about.

884
00:46:26,399 –> 00:46:29,490
You know, feeling
comfort in where you are.

885
00:46:29,850 –> 00:46:34,560
That, that’s really truly what we’re
all seeking is the comfort of where

886
00:46:34,560 –> 00:46:41,880
we are and finding others in the same,
maybe not same, but similar situations.

887
00:46:42,180 –> 00:46:46,035
It can really help alleviate
the trauma in our lives.

888
00:46:46,035 –> 00:46:47,475
I found podcasting.

889
00:46:48,015 –> 00:46:54,314
And podcasting, I, I say, it’s therapy
for myself because it gives me a way

890
00:46:54,314 –> 00:47:00,495
to express myself, listen to other
people express themselves, and then it

891
00:47:01,035 –> 00:47:06,375
also helps me clarify my own feelings.

892
00:47:06,705 –> 00:47:16,169
So really, I, I’m, I’m wondering, the
first part of healing is to really

893
00:47:16,709 –> 00:47:18,749
find a place where you’re accepted.

894
00:47:18,749 –> 00:47:20,520
Is that correct?

895
00:47:23,700 –> 00:47:24,029
I love it.

896
00:47:24,029 –> 00:47:24,330
Yeah, yeah.

897
00:47:24,390 –> 00:47:31,259
But I, I think, but what I like to think
is that, is that somewhere We’re having

898
00:47:31,259 –> 00:47:33,060
this podcast today, you and I, okay?

899
00:47:33,060 –> 00:47:35,640
We haven’t met each other before,
it’s our first time working together.

900
00:47:36,180 –> 00:47:39,779
I like to think that somewhere,
maybe one of your audience will

901
00:47:40,020 –> 00:47:43,800
listen to this podcast, they’ll
get hope for where they’re from.

902
00:47:43,800 –> 00:47:48,030
Maybe they’re, they’re ready to give up
on life, they just have so much PTSD, and

903
00:47:48,030 –> 00:47:51,080
so many therapists and medications, and
they’re just ready to kill themselves.

904
00:47:51,500 –> 00:47:54,540
And I hate to use that word, but they’re,
they’re at the end of their tether and

905
00:47:54,540 –> 00:47:57,840
they come onto this podcast and they
hear this message and it gives them hope.

906
00:47:58,200 –> 00:48:00,960
And then they go on, they embrace
life, and they get past their, their

907
00:48:00,960 –> 00:48:04,080
trauma and their PTSD, and they
get to have this wonderful life.

908
00:48:04,080 –> 00:48:06,840
And they get married, they have kids,
and down the road in three or four

909
00:48:06,840 –> 00:48:09,540
generations, one of their children
creates a cure for cancer, aids.

910
00:48:10,274 –> 00:48:13,065
Now no one will ever know that you
and I played our part, you know?

911
00:48:13,785 –> 00:48:16,424
We won’t get the accolades or
the recognition for it, but

912
00:48:16,424 –> 00:48:17,805
God will know we did our part.

913
00:48:18,375 –> 00:48:21,615
You know, maybe in four generations,
someone watching this, one of your

914
00:48:21,615 –> 00:48:24,404
audience, there are children would
could come up with a cure for cancer,

915
00:48:24,404 –> 00:48:27,975
aids and people talk about them and
their parents and their grandparents,

916
00:48:27,975 –> 00:48:31,125
but no one will know that, me in
Thailand and you in America, whatever,

917
00:48:31,335 –> 00:48:36,194
we had this podcast that, midnight in
Thailand and whatever, 12 o’clock noon

918
00:48:36,194 –> 00:48:38,955
in, in America, and we played our part.

919
00:48:39,285 –> 00:48:42,645
And again, and beyond that is,
you, you started this podcast.

920
00:48:42,645 –> 00:48:45,225
If you hadn’t started this podcast,
you wouldn’t have invited me on.

921
00:48:45,585 –> 00:48:48,555
If I hadn’t started this twelve step
program, I wouldn’t have been invited on.

922
00:48:48,944 –> 00:48:52,275
We’ve all done something in our lives
that got us to this stage that one of

923
00:48:52,275 –> 00:48:55,815
your audience in the future will one
day create a cure for cancer, aids.

924
00:48:56,234 –> 00:48:57,315
It’s all connected.

925
00:48:58,290 –> 00:49:00,090
So I think that what
you’re doing is fantastic.

926
00:49:00,090 –> 00:49:03,090
I think the fact that you’re holding
this space and you’re allowing people

927
00:49:03,090 –> 00:49:07,470
to come on here and share something
that’s just against the, the norm, like

928
00:49:07,935 –> 00:49:11,130
I, I, I, I mean, I can’t, I can’t speak
highly enough of you and the other

929
00:49:11,190 –> 00:49:12,810
podcasters who have had me on their shows.

930
00:49:13,410 –> 00:49:15,210
I thank you, from the bottom of my heart.

931
00:49:15,210 –> 00:49:18,299
Grateful gratitude I have
for what you do here.

932
00:49:18,884 –> 00:49:20,805
Well, well, we do thank you for that.

933
00:49:20,834 –> 00:49:23,234
You know, it’s really why we do it.

934
00:49:23,265 –> 00:49:29,205
Because we feel the same way, you
never know who you’re going to affect.

935
00:49:29,325 –> 00:49:33,314
So always be on your best
game when you’re doing it.

936
00:49:33,855 –> 00:49:38,745
And if we’re willing and able
to do that, you’ll never know

937
00:49:38,745 –> 00:49:40,725
how many lives you changed.

938
00:49:40,995 –> 00:49:45,254
And that’s the beauty of what you
and I are doing right here today.

939
00:49:45,555 –> 00:49:48,165
And it, it keeps me going.

940
00:49:48,165 –> 00:49:52,725
I, I’ll tell you many times I
wanted to say I’ve had enough

941
00:49:52,725 –> 00:49:54,645
of this, it’s just enough.

942
00:49:54,705 –> 00:50:00,495
But that particular point
keeps me on my game.

943
00:50:00,585 –> 00:50:06,664
And I hope, like you stated,
somebody listens to this today and

944
00:50:07,484 –> 00:50:09,615
finds new inspiration and hope.

945
00:50:09,615 –> 00:50:10,665
And that’s why we do it.

946
00:50:11,805 –> 00:50:15,915
Richard, uh, our time
is coming to a close.

947
00:50:15,915 –> 00:50:21,194
It, it seems like it just started
and I could go on for hours with you

948
00:50:21,464 –> 00:50:26,444
and possibly have you back on for
another conversation at a later time.

949
00:50:28,274 –> 00:50:31,904
Do you have a call to action for people?

950
00:50:32,024 –> 00:50:34,455
Or a bit of wisdom for people?

951
00:50:35,205 –> 00:50:36,675
I do, I actually do.

952
00:50:36,675 –> 00:50:39,585
I, I’m really glad you asked because
I’m, I’m really excited about this.

953
00:50:39,585 –> 00:50:43,305
Um, again, I spoke about how I think
God is the source of everything.

954
00:50:43,455 –> 00:50:48,015
Uh, I think it, it’s a wonderful, it’s
a wonderful out for all of us to accept

955
00:50:48,015 –> 00:50:49,575
that God is the source of everything.

956
00:50:49,575 –> 00:50:52,665
All your hardships, all your
challenges, and all your glory,

957
00:50:52,665 –> 00:50:53,955
all your good, good days.

958
00:50:54,355 –> 00:50:56,670
If we can accept that God’s the
source for everything, we’re

959
00:50:56,670 –> 00:50:57,840
so far ahead of the posse.

960
00:50:58,050 –> 00:51:00,360
There’s so many people out there
who are disillusioned and hopeless

961
00:51:00,360 –> 00:51:04,230
and giving up, and if we can
accept that God has a plan for us.

962
00:51:04,560 –> 00:51:07,800
So what I would say to your,
your audience is, make a decision

963
00:51:07,800 –> 00:51:09,390
to give God a second chance.

964
00:51:10,110 –> 00:51:11,490
We all deserve a second chance.

965
00:51:11,490 –> 00:51:14,910
I want a second chance of being, at
being a husband and a father, and a

966
00:51:14,910 –> 00:51:18,630
brother, and, and a nephew, and a,
and a son-in-law, and a neighbor,

967
00:51:18,630 –> 00:51:21,690
and a member of AA, and whatever,
and, and a trauma therapist.

968
00:51:21,690 –> 00:51:25,470
I want a second chance of improving
on the mistakes I’ve made in the past.

969
00:51:25,589 –> 00:51:28,589
As much as I want a second
chance, give God a second chance.

970
00:51:28,620 –> 00:51:31,350
Try that dream prayer just
tonight for the hell of it.

971
00:51:31,620 –> 00:51:33,810
When you go down to bed
tonight, close your eyes.

972
00:51:33,810 –> 00:51:38,729
And before you sleep, get into dreaming
something that you want to happen and

973
00:51:38,729 –> 00:51:40,169
have a dream of it actually happening.

974
00:51:40,830 –> 00:51:42,779
In that sleep of almost falling asleep,

975
00:51:42,779 –> 00:51:44,279
have a dream of it actually happening.

976
00:51:44,685 –> 00:51:45,794
As though it’s happened already.

977
00:51:46,245 –> 00:51:49,634
And then in the morning, we dream
that dream has happened already.

978
00:51:49,634 –> 00:51:51,435
And do that for about three weeks.

979
00:51:51,825 –> 00:51:54,105
And in three weeks time, look
back and see if it’s happened.

980
00:51:55,185 –> 00:51:59,384
You, honestly, when we give Him a
chance, He’s just waiting for us.

981
00:51:59,390 –> 00:52:04,095
I, I love this thing about, God
gave us free will and a book of

982
00:52:04,095 –> 00:52:05,294
instructions on how to use it.

983
00:52:05,745 –> 00:52:09,840
I remember someone posted, I think
on TikTok, they said, God created us

984
00:52:09,900 –> 00:52:12,540
so we could enjoy life on this earth.

985
00:52:12,750 –> 00:52:16,695
He’s just shocked that we’re choosing
scarcity and poverty, and pain, depression

986
00:52:16,755 –> 00:52:20,295
rather than choosing abundance of
love and life, and happiness and joy.

987
00:52:20,385 –> 00:52:22,815
You know, we’re going around thinking
that we’re meant to be scared.

988
00:52:23,085 –> 00:52:25,425
And the churches are telling us that
we’re meant to be poor and scarce

989
00:52:25,425 –> 00:52:26,685
and we’re meant to be sinners.

990
00:52:26,955 –> 00:52:28,605
And that’s a load of
bullocks, in my opinion.

991
00:52:29,025 –> 00:52:30,745
God wants us to be
happy, joyous, and free.

992
00:52:30,765 –> 00:52:33,165
And if you want abundance,
think abundance.

993
00:52:33,195 –> 00:52:35,685
If you want to be a millionaire,
think of being a millionaire.

994
00:52:35,685 –> 00:52:37,685
In your dream period tonight, if
you’ve got no money, you’ve got

995
00:52:37,685 –> 00:52:40,985
no job, dream of someone offering
you a job in the next three weeks.

996
00:52:40,985 –> 00:52:43,595
In dream time, someone’s gonna
offer you a job with the money

997
00:52:43,595 –> 00:52:44,825
you need for the job you want.

998
00:52:45,095 –> 00:52:47,645
And dream that state in the job
you want to do and whatever.

999
00:52:47,884 –> 00:52:51,154
And dream, and keep dreaming it morning,
noon, and night, five times a day.

1000
00:52:51,424 –> 00:52:53,355
And in three weeks time, you’re gonna
find someone’s offered you a job.

1001
00:52:53,355 –> 00:52:54,720
You’re gonna go, This is easy.

1002
00:52:54,790 –> 00:52:57,875
I’ve gotta do dream, dream state,
I’m gonna dream, pray every

1003
00:52:57,875 –> 00:52:59,105
fucking night and every day.

1004
00:52:59,345 –> 00:53:01,685
And you need never go to, to
a church in your lifetime.

1005
00:53:02,045 –> 00:53:04,950
Just dream prayer as
much as you can, okay?

1006
00:53:05,070 –> 00:53:09,780
And if you do that for, for thirty days,
by day ten, you won’t know yourself.

1007
00:53:10,670 –> 00:53:13,870
Twenty times a day, thirty times a day,
just every time you got a waking moment.

1008
00:53:13,870 –> 00:53:16,440
In the office, after your office,
you’re not busy on your, on your

1009
00:53:16,440 –> 00:53:17,790
desk, or the kitchen, or something.

1010
00:53:18,090 –> 00:53:23,130
Just, we, we, we visit that dream as
those happened already, really invoke

1011
00:53:23,130 –> 00:53:23,850
that it’s actually happened already.

1012
00:53:23,850 –> 00:53:26,930
And you, before you know it,
He’ll make it happen for you.

1013
00:53:27,269 –> 00:53:27,470
Sorry.

1014
00:53:27,470 –> 00:53:29,720
I’ve gone on, I can’t stop.

1015
00:53:30,419 –> 00:53:30,940
Ed, thank you.

1016
00:53:32,685 –> 00:53:33,885
No, that’s all right.

1017
00:53:34,185 –> 00:53:34,755
That’s good.

1018
00:53:35,025 –> 00:53:39,015
You know, the Bible, Basic
Instructions Before Leaving Earth,

1019
00:53:39,075 –> 00:53:41,145
uh, I believe it a hundred percent.

1020
00:53:41,865 –> 00:53:46,305
And, uh, in, in the book of
Jeremiah, it does tell you,

1021
00:53:46,575 –> 00:53:50,050
God wants good things for you.

1022
00:53:50,450 –> 00:53:56,670
And He has good things for you
and you, you have to believe that.

1023
00:53:56,910 –> 00:54:00,210
And if you live it, it works every day.

1024
00:54:01,110 –> 00:54:06,270
Richard, it, it’s always great
to speaking with people like you.

1025
00:54:06,570 –> 00:54:09,750
How can people reach out
and get involved with you?

1026
00:54:11,310 –> 00:54:14,790
Well, I’m happy to say, my, my
seventeen-year-old son, he’s just applied

1027
00:54:14,790 –> 00:54:18,450
to go to university and now in his free
time, he’s going to design my website.

1028
00:54:18,480 –> 00:54:20,819
It’ll be called Trauma Recovery
Anonymous, and I hope to have it

1029
00:54:20,819 –> 00:54:22,500
up in the next two or three weeks.

1030
00:54:22,859 –> 00:54:27,390
I have my books on Amazon, uh, the trauma,
How to Heal Any Past Trauma Memory.

1031
00:54:28,049 –> 00:54:31,379
About the book, when you do
the healing event, you need to

1032
00:54:31,379 –> 00:54:32,790
have someone read it to you.

1033
00:54:33,810 –> 00:54:35,460
If you try and do it
yourself, it won’t work.

1034
00:54:35,460 –> 00:54:36,870
Because it’s, it’s like directions.

1035
00:54:36,870 –> 00:54:39,779
So you might, you might buy a copy
and read your copy to somebody

1036
00:54:39,779 –> 00:54:42,390
else and then they might buy a
copy and read that copy to you.

1037
00:54:42,600 –> 00:54:45,660
So you have to take the directions from
the other person for the event to work.

1038
00:54:45,660 –> 00:54:48,779
But the twelve step program
you can do on your own, okay?

1039
00:54:48,779 –> 00:54:52,150
So, so if, again, if you wanna work with
your therapist, work with your therapist.

1040
00:54:52,150 –> 00:54:55,290
But you may have someone in, in
your support group who also, like

1041
00:54:55,290 –> 00:54:56,819
you, wants to, wants to break free.

1042
00:54:57,120 –> 00:54:58,980
And your recovery buddy
and you can work together.

1043
00:54:59,565 –> 00:55:03,205
Fellow veteran, whatever it is, or, or
else your therapist, have your therapist

1044
00:55:03,415 –> 00:55:05,444
read it to you and do the process.

1045
00:55:05,775 –> 00:55:08,535
But be open to, just be open
to it and it’ll work for you.

1046
00:55:08,535 –> 00:55:11,565
And then the, the twelve step
program is on Amazon as well,

1047
00:55:11,565 –> 00:55:13,214
they’re both on as Kindle books.

1048
00:55:14,355 –> 00:55:17,475
And they’re also on, on a, a,
a website called Draft2Digital.

1049
00:55:17,654 –> 00:55:21,105
They have them in print and
digital on most bookstores.

1050
00:55:21,255 –> 00:55:21,735
You’ll get them there.

1051
00:55:21,735 –> 00:55:25,620
But you’ll definitely get them
on Amazon as a Kindle, okay?

1052
00:55:26,549 –> 00:55:28,830
And I’ll, I’ll send on to you,
Ed, my details so you can put

1053
00:55:28,830 –> 00:55:31,859
them on the post when you do it
so you have the details, content.

1054
00:55:31,980 –> 00:55:36,870
I have an email address, it’s, uh,
richard@traumarecoveryanonymous.com.

1055
00:55:37,500 –> 00:55:41,160
If you’d like me to work with you
one-on-one or ten on ten, or I work,

1056
00:55:41,160 –> 00:55:42,569
I work with ten on ten at a time.

1057
00:55:42,930 –> 00:55:43,890
Wanna do Zoom or something?

1058
00:55:43,890 –> 00:55:45,839
I can set up on Zoom to
do a session if you want.

1059
00:55:46,020 –> 00:55:48,509
You’re afraid of coming on your own, you
wanna come with somebody, or I can take

1060
00:55:48,529 –> 00:55:49,440
you through the session on your own.

1061
00:55:49,440 –> 00:55:52,380
So it’s
richard@traumarecoveryanonymous.com.

1062
00:55:53,900 –> 00:55:55,050
Ed, thank you very much.

1063
00:55:57,180 –> 00:56:02,850
Richard, yeah, it’s been a pleasure
having you and all of your links

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will be in the show notes section.

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And I wanna say thank you for being
here today and sharing your wisdom and

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techniques with the Dead America Podcast.

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Thank you, it was a pleasure being here.

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I, I know for me it’s 10 o’clock,
it’s midnight here, one o’clock now.

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I’ve loved every moment of it.

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Maybe, maybe I’ll become a night person.

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Ed, thank you very much and thank
you very much for listening, folks.

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I hope you were able to
understand my fast speech.

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I get excited when I talk about
this stuff, so thank you very much.

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It’s always good.

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Thank you for joining us today.

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If you found this podcast enlightening,
entertaining, educational in any way,

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00:56:48,165 –> 00:56:54,569
please share, like, subscribe, and join
us right back here next week for another

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00:56:54,569 –> 00:56:57,959
great episode of the Dead America Podcast.

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I’m Ed Watters, your host, enjoy
your afternoon wherever you might be.