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We’re, we’re so deep into it
that we don’t think about it.

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You know, you, you usually feel like
you’re supposed to come on a podcast

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to talk about like something you’ve
produced, and what we end up talking a

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lot about is who you’ve become and how
you experience the world because of that.

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And how that natural
connection, that connection

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Today, we are speaking
with Tigrilla Gardenia.

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She is the host of the Reconnect with
Plants Wisdom Podcast and the founder

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of the Naturally Conscious Community.

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Tigrilla

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could you please introduce yourself?

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Let people know just a little
more about you, please.

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Well, I am so, so happy to be here.

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So as, as, you said my name beautifully,
beautifully, Tigrilla Gardenia.

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And I am a nature inspired mentor
and a certified life coach.

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But I think what, what most people
are curious about is that I am a

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world ambassador for plant advocacy.

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I work mainly with, um,
multipotentialites, you know,

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multi-passionate people, and, and
neurodivergent people to create an

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ecosystem, you know, a living ecosystem
of life where you can really flourish

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in your own way, in your own colors.

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And I do this with the help
of the plant kin homes.

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So working very, very closely
with plants as mentors, as

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models, and as collaborators.

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It’s about, it’s a mouthful, I know.

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It takes a minute.

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Yeah, I like that a lot.

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And, no, that’s all good.

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Uh, you know, like after reading your
bio, I came across, you discovered

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your calling through a life-changing
encounter with a musical plant.

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Could you please explain this to me?

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It just baffles me.

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And I’ve never heard of a musical plant.

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Yeah.

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so I live in a place called
Damanhur, it’s one of the largest

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spiritual communities in the world.

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It’s kind of this Hogwarts for
adults type of situation, although I

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always say that, for adults, ’cause
I think I, I try to qualify it,

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but we have tons of children here.

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So I don’t know why I even say it.

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Um, but in, in here we have,
you know, lots of different, um,

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spiritual technologies and different
ways that we interact with the,

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the living world all around us.

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And so one day I was walking down
a hallway here and I heard this

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music and I followed the music.

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’cause I, so preface that my original
degree was in music engineering

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and electrical engineering.

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I’ve done tons of stuff in the
music world, and the arts is

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a big, big part of who I am.

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You know, that, that whole creative,
get out of the mold, sort of side

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that comes when you allow yourself to
just dive into imagination and such.

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And so this music intrigued me because
it was like nothing I had ever heard.

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So I followed it and I ended up
at a box that was connected to a

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speaker on one side and to a plant
on the other, and I was like, Huh?

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And as I was, you know, kind of trying
to figure out what the heck was going on

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here, I kept hearing this music and I kept
looking at the plant going, Is that you?

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And it felt like in that moment, all
of a sudden the plant was saying, Hi,

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I’m so glad you can finally see me.

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Let’s have a conversation.

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I really wanna talk to you about this
and that and you know, it’s been so many

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years that you have been ignoring me.

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And so, and it was like, Oh my goodness,
you are an actual living, like not

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just alive, but like a living being.

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And that was it, that was
enough to kind of open me up.

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You know, that whole engineering side of
myself, how the hell does this box work?

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And the whole like, you know, part of
me that is about music and that really

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feels connected and can understand people
through their musical choices, the music

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they create, the music they express.

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Like all these different parts just
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a certain extent, to this plant.

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To allow me, this plant to communicate
with me in something that I understood.

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And yeah, I’ve been kind
of hooked ever since.

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I kind of fell down a
rabbit hole since then.

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A lot of, uh, times on my monologues
I will tell people, You’ve

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gotta get in tune with nature.

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Wherever you are, there’s nature there.

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And through consuming some of
your content, you talk a lot about

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this being in tune with nature.

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You know, grass growing through a
crack in a parking lot is nature.

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And you know, I, I say get close to
the grass because that’s where you’re

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going to find very interesting things.

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Lay down in the grass and feel it.

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There’s, there’s this connection that we
miss because we’re so busy in our life all

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the time, we’re running here and there.

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And my wife and I, we got a
chance to purchase some property

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out in the middle of no place.

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And we’re hooked now, we’re
going on thirteen years in.

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And you know, we get deer, and birds,
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our property and it’s just very
calming to be in tune with nature.

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Sometimes it’s very difficult for
people to even experience that.

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How do we relate the feeling that
we’re feeling about connecting

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with nature to someone that’s so
uptight and running all the time?

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You, you said it perfectly at
the beginning, which is, you

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know, the, the, first of all, the
disconnection, what, what I tend

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to think of as the original trauma.

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Like people wanna talk about the original
sin, forget the original sin, man,

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let’s talk about the original trauma.

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Whatever disconnected us from
our natural sense of being,

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the fact that we are nature.

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That we have forgotten that we
are nature, that we approach the

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world with, from that perspective.

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And the fact that we tend to think
of nature as you just described it.

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You’ve had the benefit of being into
that and being, moving into that.

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But for a lot of people, the idea
of going out there is scary as hell.

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It’s like, Oh my goodness, I
have to like, what, what if

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something’s gonna bite me or eat me?

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Or you know, if I don’t know how to
find food, or if my car breaks down,

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and I don’t know, some bear is gonna
come along and like, I don’t know,

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people make up all kinds of stuff.

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Because when you grow up in a city,

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you’re almost told that you’re
not, that there is no nature.

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You’re almost, you’re, you’re
disconnected from your body, you’re

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told to separate out from your senses.

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You’re given like, alarm clocks
start at this time, breakfast is at

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this hour, lunch is at this hour,
dinner is at this time, like you

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no longer have any natural rhythms.

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You don’t have natural rhythms of light
because the light is coming from, you

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know, some flip the switch type of thing.

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Like all these different pieces
that constantly from birth reinforce

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your disconnection from this
fundamental part of who you are.

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And so you can’t just dump ’em
into the middle of nowhere because

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most people will just freak out.

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So you gotta go, Okay.

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Little, little steps at a time.

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And it’s amazing.

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If you think now, um, especially
after COVID, was the giant

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kind of houseplant craze.

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Now the houseplant craze has gone a
little too far in the perspective of,

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oh my God, I’m gonna control, ’cause
we’ve extended that control thing.

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But that’s a really great place to start
just the same as the blade of grass that

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you mentioned is a great place to start.

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Which is, Okay for a second, I’m
gonna stop thinking about this

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as a thing I have to control.

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And instead, what happens when
I just spend time with you?

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Like literally, now if you ask anybody
who has a house full of plants,

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they will tell you all the benefits.

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You know, they won’t talk about how much
time they spend watering or whatever.

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They’ll just say, Oh, I love being
in the room with my cup of coffee.

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It feels so good.

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Like they already know it, but they
just haven’t intellectualized it yet.

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Which is kind of a good
thing to a certain extent.

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But then you have to, just take that a
little step further, which is sit there.

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Now move that into a conscious thing
like, Hello Aloe, or Hello, you know,

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succulent that I found at Ikea for
two dollars, probably almost dead.

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Like, let me just sit with
you here for a second.

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And I am just gonna sit in, you know,
to a certain extent, silence and just

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whatever, let me know whatever you
wanna let me know, type of thing.

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And just start to open that.

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And start to then also see that in
your city, in the littlest things,

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it doesn’t have to be big, like,
like you said, the blade of

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grass coming out of the crack.

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The, the abandoned parking lot where,
you know, plantains and dandelions have

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taken over the corner or that crack pipe
where there’s like some mossy, licheny

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thing that’s growing out of it that you
don’t know how to name and you don’t know

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how to identify, or the street trees.

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I mean, come on, almost all cities
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Just stopping for a second and
like being there can be incredibly

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rewarding, like our nervous system.

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And when immersed in nature, like
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fifty percent in twenty minutes.

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We have, uh, sensations, of people
who live near abandoned, uh, parking

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lots that have now been taken over by
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experience lower levels of depression.

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Like it’s not, doesn’t take that much.

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Don’t, don’t try to say, Oh,
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hike or to blah, blah, blah.

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No, just five minutes sitting in
your house with your cup of coffee

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or your tea and just looking at
the plant and saying, I see you.

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I’m here.

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That’s enough.

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That’s enough to start the process.

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Yeah.

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It really can be a cleansing, you know?

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No, no matter where you are, there’s a
possibility of finding something new.

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And you know, it’s interesting.

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We often think about ants and
things that are noticeable, but

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when you get deeper into it, you
find things, it’s an ecosystem.

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And it all works together.

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And we, we tend to miss out
if we don’t tune ourselves in.

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You said you’re into music earlier
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is a resonance itself and we can
alter our frequency levels just by

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being emotionally and physically
in tune with what we are around.

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And if, if we’re aware
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physically change what we are by
removing ourself or immersing ourselves

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even deeper into the experience.

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And it all starts with that tuning in
to the frequency that you’re desiring.

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What’s your thoughts on that?

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Yeah, I, I couldn’t agree more.

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So I often try to explain that we
think of language, for example, or of

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other things as a music, as, um, uh,
like we think of music as a language,

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but it’s actually the opposite.

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Which is very close to what you
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music is the origin, it is that, like
you said, resonance, uh, frequency.

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So in reality, everything is a
musicality because all resonance is

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vibration and all vibration is music.

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And so everything has that musicality
running through, which is why the

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music of the plants, for example, this
device that in the end, my community

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has been working on since the 1970s
and is now, is publicly available.

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That’s the reason why the music of
the plants is so powerful because it

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gives, it’s a musical instrument for
plants that allows the plants to,

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um, use a sense that we haven’t shut
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Because other senses that are still
vibration, that are still resonance, as

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you were just mentioning, we’ve shut down.

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So we don’t, we don’t feel the earth’s
vibration as we could, the geomagnetic.

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We don’t sense, you know, the
electrical impulses that are coming

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through our environment, we don’t
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I still believe that they’re dormant to
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there and I actually teach about, you
know, how to reawaken these lost senses.

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But the point being is like
everything vibrates, everything

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resonates, and we can tune into it.

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We’re, we’re just this giant antenna
that we can develop and slowly attenuate

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that antenna until we lock into what,
what is good for us and what is moving

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us in the direction that we wanna do.

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And this is a big part of what
starts to come online when you

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reconnect with the natural world.

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When you give yourself that, that moment,
like I was saying, of I’m not even

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gonna do anything, like I could give you
other exercises, which I have kind of

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on my Insight timer or in my Naturally
Conscious Community that you can try.

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But let’s just even try the basics.

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If I sit there and I consciously
open myself and say to the plant,

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I’m here, then some part of my
senses is going to start to feel

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what that plant is resonating and
what that plant is sending to me.

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And so that starts a chain of events
that allows me to continuously,

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in a safe way, open my senses.

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Because I think we’re, um, so disconnected
and life is so loud in non harmonious

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ways that we think that opening
our senses is gonna make it worse.

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When in reality, as you said, when you
open your senses like a sensor, like

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a being of nature, the attenuation
part becomes natural as well.

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And so you’re much better at tuning in.

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If you think about it from the
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biology, plants are sessile, right?

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Rooted into the ground, cannot run
away from their problems like we do.

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So what happens?

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They have to be hypervigilant, they
have to know everything, they can’t just

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close their eyes or, you know, their
photoreceptors and say, I don’t wanna

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see what’s coming from this direction.

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Or, I don’t wanna sense that thing,
or, No, no, no, don’t tell me.

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Because that’s death, right?

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They have to be the opposite, which is,
I’m gonna open everything, I’m gonna know,

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I’m gonna use all my twenty senses, and
I’m constantly going to be filtering this.

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And then to not get overwhelmed, I
choose which ones to focus in on.

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So we evolved from plants, right?

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We are an evolution that
comes later in the chain.

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That means that those capabilities that
also you see in, you know, the fungi

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world, that you see in bacteria, that
you see also even in animals, right?

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This ability for them to use
hyper senses that are, senses

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that are hyper, uh, sensitive to
certain things that we have lost.

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But we’re animals too, which means, how is
it that we’re the last on the food chain

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with the most reduced amount of things?

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It’s because our culture has reduced them,
not because our biology reduces them.

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And so once you start to walk
into that experience and you

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start to open again and say, Oh.

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Truly being able to choose means
seeing everything, and experiencing

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everything, and then from there,
making an informed choice.

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Which of course, I start to
become better at doing it a

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little bit more automatically,

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it’s not like I’m constantly
thinking about it.

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But the point is that it’s just,
it is a natural part of who we are.

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If we didn’t, you know, abdicate our
responsibilities, if we didn’t give away

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our power to societies and cultures and
norms and values and all these different

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things, but instead, we absorbed all
that in and then made the choices that

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were best for our bodies, for our, our
way of living, for the things that we

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want to accomplish for the environment
in which we’re in, and that’s that

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living ecosystem I’m talking about.

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You know, when I do coaching with
people, it’s never about, like let’s,

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that’s the reason I say it’s life
coaching, I never look at just like

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this one problem in a vacuum because
that reductionist thinking doesn’t work.

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It’s more of, let’s look
at everything around you,

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let’s open up to all the
weird ways your mind works.

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‘Cause I love that, like
whatever you think is odd.

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Like I process this because I hear
the sound, I go over here and I start

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to paint, and I go over here and I’m
really good at numbers, and over here,

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instead, I jump up and down because
my body feels, and blah, blah, blah.

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Throw it all into the pot, man.

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Let’s look at it all and then
let’s see which of those sensors

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is attuned to which signaler.

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And so boom, boom.

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And then we start to like weave
these through so that you start to

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master the way that you truly are.

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Yeah.

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You know, I go back to my younger
days when my mother, she was a plant

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freak, and we would always see her
humming, and, you know, watering her

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plants, and talking to the plants.

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And we never could figure out, well,
why does her plants grow so well?

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And it’s that connection
that she had with the plants.

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And another thing I, I’m really
interested about is grounding.

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You know, we’re often times not
willing to take our shoes and socks

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off and connect with the earth and
be part of nature in its true form.

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That’s because usually we’re isolated
because of the soles of our shoes and

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we, we don’t understand that connection
can bring a completeness and it makes

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you feel good inside and about yourself
when you actually experience it.

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A lot of people can connect because
they go to the beach and that’s when

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they’ll take their shoes off and
they’ll run in the warm sand, and that

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really brings them that joy feeling.

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You’re connected, you’re, you
know, grounding to the earth.

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What’s your thoughts on grounding?

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It’s funny that you say this ’cause,
um, as, as I’ve been talking to more

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and more and more people, I’m realizing
that as I hear the things that each one

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of them shares, it, it, it connects me
to elements, and times, and moments,

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and things that I’ve changed in my life.

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Again, naturally, organically,
let’s say it that way, where

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it’s just naturally happened.

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Now I was a, I love the concept,
I love the concept of shoes.

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Like in the sense that when I was, I
did some acting for, for several years,

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and when I was an actor, I always
found my character through shoes.

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Like it was, like once I put
the shoes on, I could feel it.

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But it’s really funny, I spend
the, now, the majority of my life,

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either if it’s warm, which I live in
a climate that, um, I live in a place

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which, it’s Northern Italy, we do have a
period of summer, in the summer, I will be

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basically with flip flops because as soon
as I sit somewhere, I take my shoes off.

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Like, it’s like always, always, always.

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And then for the rest of the year where
I have to wear shoes, I’ve basically

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switched all my shoes to barefoot shoes.

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To like, really, really
thin soled barefoot shoes.

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Even my hiking boots, and that was
a humongous shift in the way that

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I experience the deep, immersive,
natural environment, because I

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would wear, you know, hiking boots.

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I’m, I’m not from a place I have to,
just so people know, I was a city girl.

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When I tell my mother about some
of the things that I do now, she’s

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like, she just looks at me and
she’s like, I don’t understand,

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we’re city people.

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I’m like, Look, we’re from an island.

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And, but she’s like, Yeah, but
I’m from the city of an island.

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And I was just like, All right.

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Whatever.

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But I get it.

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Like, you know, we are city folks.

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So don’t, don’t pretend, I’m not
like some, you know, I didn’t grow up

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running through barefoot, you know?

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But I have, but I
completely agree with you.

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I’ve always had this streak of
me that likes to be, as a matter

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of fact, I’m barefoot right now.

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And, um, and I have marble floors, which I
adore, uh, for lots of different reasons.

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But, um, but my, when I switched to
my hiking boots, I would, um, felt

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very unstable when I would hike
wearing, you know, normal hiking boots.

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And I just thought it was me,

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I just thought I wasn’t used to it, I
didn’t really understand, I just, you

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know, I had, I, I’m kind of new to it.

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I live in the middle of, I live at
the foothills of the Alps, so there’s

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lots of mountains around here.

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And I have a really good friend
of mine who’s a Woods Guide and

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I absolutely adore going on his
hikes because it feels very safe.

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‘Cause I’m kind of like still,
when it comes to that kind

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of immersive environment, um,
I’m more of a meadow girl.

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I like, I have a beautiful meadow in
front of my house, there’s gorgeous

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cows who have been having way too
much sex in the last few days, and

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then a, a river that’s flowing down.

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And so it’s, it’s wonderful.

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But I do, I do love, like, learning and
getting comfortable with the mountain.

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I thought it was just me.

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And then I bought a pair
of barefoot hiking boots.

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Oh my gosh, It changes everything.

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My feet feel the shape of the rocks, and
of the stones, and of the little gravel,

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and whatever it is that I’m walking on.

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I feel it through my feet.

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And while yes, there is still a sole
because you know, it has a little bit

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of a sole, but you’re, you’re absolutely
right, that connection is so much more.

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And so I have a pair of like, you
know, barefoot ballerinas that I

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pretty much wear most of the year.

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My flip flops, which I try to
buy the ones that are as flat

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and as like soleless as possible.

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Uh, I’ll slowly be adding more
from, there’s this one company

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in, uh, Portland that I adore.

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Soft Star Shoes, Soft Star
Shoes, which I absolutely adore.

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So whenever I’m in the US I like
try to get a pair, that’s where

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my, um, hiking boots are from.

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And, and, and I just really feel
that difference where it’s like,

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okay, if I have to wear shoes, I
prefer to wear these that really let

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me feel the contours of the earth.

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That really allow me, and oftentimes I
can easily slip out of them because if

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I’m just about anywhere where I can, I
will slip out of my shoes immediately.

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So I am, I am in a complete agreement
with you, which is that connection to,

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it’s our stability, right?

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Like we as human beings stabilized by
putting our two feet flat on the ground

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and our entire body dynamics are built,
are predicated on how well I stand.

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And I think that that’s another one of
those preconditioned elements, which is

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when I switched to barefoot shoes or,
and, and even when I started to just

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embrace the idea that, okay, during the
summer I’m just gonna wear like really

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flat flip flops, very, and I stopped.

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Um, I try very hard to buy almost,
even when I buy, like, I don’t know,

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I don’t really use tennis shoes, I
have a few pairs of Chuck Tees, right?

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Converse Chuck Tees,
because they’re flat inside.

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And I wanted to feel again what my
feet are supposed to be shaped like in

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order to prevent back injury and pain.

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So as I would feel things in my body,
because again, that connection that

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naturally goes, I’d start to play
with, okay, is it, is it the way

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that I’m shaping, you know, my back?

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Is it, am I supposed to tuck in?

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Am I supposed to tuck out?

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And where are my feet standing?

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And you can’t do that if you’re wearing
shoes with like a massive arch, and

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with all these, like we don’t even
realize that all these pains and aches

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and things that we have are coming
from our inability to explore the most

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basic parts of our body’s anatomy.

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Which is posture, right?

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And I’m not by no means
an expert on anybody else.

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I can just tell you that I have spent

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probably the last few years because
I had a back injury that happened

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a few years ago, and after that
I was like, Okay, I don’t wanna

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have to deal with this anymore.

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And so I’m gonna literally explore
barefoot shoes so that my body, wide

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stance, so my toes are now wider out.

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Because that’s the way our feet
were meant to be, wider, not narrow.

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And then where, how am
I supposed to stand?

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Do I lean a little forward?

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Do I lean a little back?

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Does my butt come out?

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Did my butt come in?

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Is it my stomach muscles?

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Is it my back muscles?

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Like, and that connection, which also is
thanks to this little plant that’s sitting

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over my shoulder, uh, you know, named
Dracaena as I, as I lovingly call Key

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because it doesn’t wanna give me a name.

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Because it’s all about embodiment
of, of that, that physical body.

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So yeah, we’re, we’re completely
in agreement with that, which

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is that grounding is, go
even beyond just connection.

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It’s connection to self and, and
it’s connection to self through

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everything that Mother Earth gives
us, you know, everything that the

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earth provides for us in that method.

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Uh, I’ll, I’ll tell you,
it, it’s interesting.

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You know, if you do immerse yourself
into nature and get in tune with

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not only it, but what it needs.

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Because all of my plants that we’ve
planted around here, we have berry bushes,

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we have grapes, we have plum trees, uh,
you know, uh, all of these bushes, and

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trees, and fruits, and things that we
plant, we have to maintain and water.

426
00:27:48,570 –> 00:27:56,820
And it’s like a renewing every year
because you have to cut out the

427
00:27:56,820 –> 00:28:00,629
old and then the new flourishes.

428
00:28:01,740 –> 00:28:10,740
And I have this little analogy that
I use, Life is like a muddy shoe.

429
00:28:13,155 –> 00:28:22,305
We are the muddy shoe and life is the
muddy trail and the people, places,

430
00:28:22,305 –> 00:28:25,350
and things are the mud on the trail.

431
00:28:26,595 –> 00:28:32,325
If you’ve ever walked in boots,
you know how heavy mud can get.

432
00:28:32,565 –> 00:28:38,085
It’s clay, it sticks, it gets heavy,
you have to wipe that mud off.

433
00:28:38,085 –> 00:28:40,515
Those people, places, and things.

434
00:28:41,055 –> 00:28:45,075
And then you’ve got the really
thin liquidy mud, the good

435
00:28:45,075 –> 00:28:49,865
mud that just soaks into your
threads and it’s not leaving you.

436
00:28:50,455 –> 00:28:55,455
So you really have to think
about what you’re hauling around.

437
00:28:56,035 –> 00:28:59,215
And do you need to wipe the mud off?

438
00:28:59,905 –> 00:29:09,985
Living in a place like you live and the
style of life that you live, what, what

439
00:29:09,985 –> 00:29:18,295
balance techniques do you use to create
that harmonious balance in your life?

440
00:29:20,610 –> 00:29:23,040
Ooh, my podcast is eclectic.

441
00:29:23,730 –> 00:29:28,080
I had, uh, I just did an interview this
morning with someone who I wasn’t really

442
00:29:28,080 –> 00:29:32,820
sure what direction we would take, and it
was so, I was, like crying in a good way.

443
00:29:33,030 –> 00:29:35,520
I was so emotional of the things
that we were talking about.

444
00:29:35,520 –> 00:29:41,700
He was, we, we, I ended up calling it,
uh, um, Path to, Path of a Mystic, of

445
00:29:41,700 –> 00:29:46,050
a Modern Mystic because he’s somebody
who spent nine months in silence.

446
00:29:46,080 –> 00:29:50,250
And we were talking about that
deep connection to the mystery.

447
00:29:50,250 –> 00:29:51,479
Yeah, nine months in silence.

448
00:29:51,479 –> 00:29:52,320
Can you imagine that?

449
00:29:52,620 –> 00:29:57,179
And he was, you know, somebody who has
really explored that deep connection of

450
00:29:57,179 –> 00:30:05,070
mysticism, which is my inner presence in
the presence of the natural world, right?

451
00:30:05,070 –> 00:30:13,860
Where I, I am in nature as nature and
I sit in that presence and silence.

452
00:30:14,010 –> 00:30:15,210
And he did it through silence,

453
00:30:15,210 –> 00:30:15,720
silence.

454
00:30:15,720 –> 00:30:18,210
I do it through movement, going
back to the whole music thing.

455
00:30:18,600 –> 00:30:24,700
I get there, I get to that equivalent
silence through, through movement,

456
00:30:24,719 –> 00:30:26,250
through the way that my body moves.

457
00:30:26,729 –> 00:30:28,800
Um, so I have people like him.

458
00:30:28,889 –> 00:30:37,350
Um, I, I have a, a person who wrote a
science fiction, um, type book around,

459
00:30:37,350 –> 00:30:43,879
a series of books for teens connected
to really helping people understand

460
00:30:43,970 –> 00:30:49,280
the natural world and connect into
the natural world through fantasy.

461
00:30:49,760 –> 00:30:57,470
Um, I’ve had all kinds of different,
uh, authors, and artists, and people.

462
00:30:57,470 –> 00:31:01,250
One person who’s more of an
esoteric person who was talking

463
00:31:01,250 –> 00:31:08,170
about her work with plants to,
um, embody, again, consciousness.

464
00:31:08,260 –> 00:31:13,960
And so my podcast really has a wide
range of people that are all working

465
00:31:13,960 –> 00:31:18,220
very closely with and co-creating with,

466
00:31:18,220 –> 00:31:21,580
one of the things I do when I do my
pre-interviews is, I, I always give

467
00:31:21,580 –> 00:31:24,520
them the same little spiel and I
always say, Please do not get insulted,

468
00:31:24,940 –> 00:31:28,870
but I am not looking, there’s lots
of really great podcasts out there

469
00:31:28,870 –> 00:31:35,520
that talk about working, um, using
plants, I don’t, I’m not one of them.

470
00:31:35,550 –> 00:31:41,490
Like my podcast is about the width,
the, the co-creation, the, the

471
00:31:41,520 –> 00:31:46,650
partnership, the, the deep lessons
that come from that immersion,

472
00:31:46,650 –> 00:31:49,920
like you were mentioning, you know,
thirteen years, you’re living in this

473
00:31:49,920 –> 00:31:56,010
environment and it changes you because
you now don’t feel that separation.

474
00:31:56,130 –> 00:32:01,540
You don’t feel like Nature is
this thing outside of me, it’s me.

475
00:32:01,540 –> 00:32:07,240
And I sometimes am in it, I sometimes
am it, I sometimes participate

476
00:32:07,240 –> 00:32:09,370
in it, I sometimes observe.

477
00:32:09,639 –> 00:32:15,399
But it’s still all different facets of
me, and that’s what I love to explore.

478
00:32:17,115 –> 00:32:18,675
Yeah, I like that a lot.

479
00:32:19,395 –> 00:32:26,415
You, you know, so much of life is a
challenge and when we learn to pause,

480
00:32:26,879 –> 00:32:29,865
it, it is a life changing game.

481
00:32:30,284 –> 00:32:36,915
You know, my, my wife now is learning
to do that and I’ve witnessed a

482
00:32:36,915 –> 00:32:42,225
change in her over the last few months
that, uh, I never thought I’d see.

483
00:32:43,260 –> 00:32:44,580
It’s remarkable.

484
00:32:44,580 –> 00:32:51,450
And just learning to pause, think about
what you’re thinking, and then react.

485
00:32:52,170 –> 00:32:54,780
That pause is very important, I like it.

486
00:32:55,590 –> 00:32:59,040
So where, go ahead.

487
00:33:01,905 –> 00:33:06,315
It’s a really interesting question because
as I was, I was, as I was thinking about,

488
00:33:06,315 –> 00:33:11,025
you know, the guest of my podcast and,
and as you were talking about, you know,

489
00:33:11,025 –> 00:33:15,075
your own experiences, I was realizing that
one of the most beautiful things that I

490
00:33:15,075 –> 00:33:22,260
love to capture is how, because, because
most of us don’t really, we’re, we’re so

491
00:33:22,260 –> 00:33:24,270
deep into it that we don’t think about it.

492
00:33:24,270 –> 00:33:27,150
You know, you, you usually feel like
you’re supposed to come on a podcast to

493
00:33:27,150 –> 00:33:29,880
talk about like something you’ve produced.

494
00:33:30,330 –> 00:33:34,830
And what we end up talking a lot
about is who you’ve become and how you

495
00:33:34,830 –> 00:33:37,320
experience the world because of that.

496
00:33:37,710 –> 00:33:44,190
And how that natural connection, that
connection back to my true nature has

497
00:33:44,190 –> 00:33:50,489
allowed me, or, without even realizing it,
a lot of, like if I go back and I look at

498
00:33:50,489 –> 00:33:55,590
my, I don’t know, my journals from twenty
years ago or even, even just fifteen years

499
00:33:55,590 –> 00:34:00,209
ago when I arrived at Damanhur, and I go
and I look at my journals and I see all

500
00:34:00,209 –> 00:34:06,570
the things I was quote unquote working on
about me, my personal development, so many

501
00:34:06,719 –> 00:34:12,900
of those that I tried so hard with so many
techniques, with so many classes, with so

502
00:34:12,900 –> 00:34:17,700
many things, are, are so beautiful today.

503
00:34:18,210 –> 00:34:23,130
And yeah, I mean, I am a person
who kept it there, kept it present.

504
00:34:23,550 –> 00:34:28,770
But I, it, it, it’s, it is what the
natural world kind of soaks into you.

505
00:34:28,770 –> 00:34:33,090
Like you said, that, that liquidy
mud that gets into all of your

506
00:34:33,090 –> 00:34:37,650
tissues, and all of the threads,
and all of the parts of who you are.

507
00:34:38,040 –> 00:34:38,435
That then

508
00:34:39,450 –> 00:34:42,960
it’s like no matter how different
each thread is or each piece of

509
00:34:42,960 –> 00:34:47,160
clothing, there’s a commonality that
comes into it and a, and a uniform

510
00:34:47,640 –> 00:34:50,205
part of it that just is there.

511
00:34:50,445 –> 00:34:54,195
And, and that’s been what the
natural world has done for me.

512
00:34:54,195 –> 00:34:59,565
And it’s what I hear in the guests as well
as even a lot of, believe it or not, a lot

513
00:34:59,565 –> 00:35:03,615
of the podcasts that I’ve been on, like
where I’ve been interviewed, I discover

514
00:35:03,615 –> 00:35:05,685
as we’re talking, this exact thing.

515
00:35:05,685 –> 00:35:07,485
Like what we’re talking
about right now, right?

516
00:35:07,485 –> 00:35:12,375
Like, like, oh my goodness, you know,
we’re, we’re, we’re so much more

517
00:35:12,375 –> 00:35:16,440
than our kind of mental chatter is.

518
00:35:16,440 –> 00:35:20,549
If we were just to recognize
how fricking amazing we are.

519
00:35:20,850 –> 00:35:26,730
So thinking about it from that
perspective, I realized that my kind

520
00:35:26,730 –> 00:35:33,509
of, a lot of my techniques are, I mean,
I use, I use a lot of different things,

521
00:35:33,509 –> 00:35:37,260
but so much of it is just stopping, and

522
00:35:37,260 –> 00:35:39,010
recognizing, and resting.

523
00:35:39,120 –> 00:35:44,400
Like I would say that probably my biggest,
one of the biggest lessons that I have

524
00:35:44,400 –> 00:35:47,910
learned for myself or that I’ve embodied,
I don’t even think about it as learned

525
00:35:47,910 –> 00:35:51,090
anymore because that implies just thinking
about it, but more of like what I’ve

526
00:35:51,090 –> 00:35:57,120
embodied is, and I, and I just tested
this maybe about ten days ago without

527
00:35:57,120 –> 00:36:04,095
realizing it was the ability to trust in
myself so much that I could just stop.

528
00:36:04,935 –> 00:36:09,675
And so I had this like looming deadline
I was working on, I had been asked to

529
00:36:09,675 –> 00:36:13,395
do something at the very last moment
and if you were to look at the amount

530
00:36:13,395 –> 00:36:16,845
of stuff on my plate, you would think
that I would wake up like every morning

531
00:36:16,845 –> 00:36:19,245
at four o’clock in the morning and
go to bed every day at three o’clock,

532
00:36:19,305 –> 00:36:20,625
at three o’clock in the morning, you know?

533
00:36:20,625 –> 00:36:23,175
It’s like kind of crazy
for the amount of output.

534
00:36:23,625 –> 00:36:28,875
But in the other, on the other side, I
spend a lot of time sitting like where

535
00:36:28,875 –> 00:36:33,404
I am right now, staring out at Gary, the
silver fern, which is this beautiful,

536
00:36:33,464 –> 00:36:37,125
you know, whatever, I don’t even know
how tall, I’ve tried, I should try

537
00:36:37,125 –> 00:36:41,025
to figure that out, I think he’s like
sixty, seventy feet tall plant that’s

538
00:36:41,025 –> 00:36:42,375
like, tree that’s outside of my window.

539
00:36:42,375 –> 00:36:48,105
And all these plants here, and I spend
a lot of time just staring and being.

540
00:36:48,465 –> 00:36:54,795
And when I had a looming deadline
and my head just, my, like, mind,

541
00:36:54,795 –> 00:36:58,815
brain, mind could not figure
things out, I was like, Screw it.

542
00:36:58,875 –> 00:37:00,705
I’m just gonna sit back
and I’m gonna rest.

543
00:37:01,500 –> 00:37:04,320
Because that’s what Noelle, the
Christmas cactus told me to do.

544
00:37:04,800 –> 00:37:06,630
And, um, very insistently.

545
00:37:06,960 –> 00:37:09,690
And was like, you just
need to rest, just rest.

546
00:37:09,690 –> 00:37:12,200
And don’t, and I was like, No,
but I have to get this done by

547
00:37:12,200 –> 00:37:15,150
tomorrow, like, by tomorrow morning.

548
00:37:15,150 –> 00:37:16,830
It’s like, I don’t have time to rest.

549
00:37:16,830 –> 00:37:17,970
It was like, just rest, you’ll see.

550
00:37:18,630 –> 00:37:22,200
And I woke up on like Monday
morning and in three hours the

551
00:37:22,200 –> 00:37:26,220
whole thing was done because I
listened to the cycles of my body.

552
00:37:26,220 –> 00:37:30,150
And the time that I was trying to create
it, was not a cycle that worked for me.

553
00:37:30,180 –> 00:37:35,200
And so I would say that my kind of
quote unquote kind of balance or, or

554
00:37:36,490 –> 00:37:40,259
reconnection type piece is literally stop.

555
00:37:42,089 –> 00:37:42,660
Just stop.

556
00:37:43,545 –> 00:37:43,935
Yeah.

557
00:37:44,295 –> 00:37:49,125
Yeah, so that, that is a good thing to do.

558
00:37:49,154 –> 00:37:53,205
Pause, reflect, you know,
feel, I, I like that.

559
00:37:53,205 –> 00:37:59,205
And then we can actually, and
it happens like that usually.

560
00:37:59,235 –> 00:38:03,345
When, when we’re in that
reactive state, we wanna jump.

561
00:38:03,645 –> 00:38:10,185
And learning to do that takes a long time
for a lot of people, but it’s possible.

562
00:38:10,185 –> 00:38:19,065
And when we do learn to just release
that energy, because that’s really what

563
00:38:19,065 –> 00:38:25,815
that is, that emotion is an energy, and
if we can learn to control the energy

564
00:38:25,815 –> 00:38:32,085
and put the energy where it should
be put, instead of just letting it go

565
00:38:32,085 –> 00:38:34,424
everywhere, there’s a more productive,

566
00:38:36,765 –> 00:38:43,529
uh, feeling that we receive after
we learn that technique to put

567
00:38:43,529 –> 00:38:45,509
the energy where it needs to go.

568
00:38:46,020 –> 00:38:53,220
Yes, you’re mad and I, I understand
that you’re mad, but why are you mad?

569
00:38:53,220 –> 00:38:58,170
And can we do anything to prevent
you from getting there anymore?

570
00:38:58,740 –> 00:39:03,600
That’s where we need to focus,
that negative thought and put

571
00:39:03,600 –> 00:39:05,550
it into a positive thought.

572
00:39:05,940 –> 00:39:09,750
And that’s what we here at the
Dead America Podcast really

573
00:39:09,755 –> 00:39:12,030
try to relate to people.

574
00:39:12,030 –> 00:39:15,810
It’s okay to be you, you’ve
got to be who you are.

575
00:39:16,170 –> 00:39:23,370
And then when you tune into that
natural state, you can become whatever

576
00:39:23,370 –> 00:39:30,000
you want to be, not what external
forces want you to be for them.

577
00:39:31,340 –> 00:39:32,490
What’s your thoughts?

578
00:39:34,410 –> 00:39:37,170
And I would add one other, I’m just
gonna, I’m gonna, I’m gonna add one little

579
00:39:37,170 –> 00:39:38,940
piece before we, we jump to the end.

580
00:39:39,240 –> 00:39:43,170
Which is, you said it beautifully,
it’s like pause and think.

581
00:39:43,290 –> 00:39:48,090
But in between there I would add
feel, because that disconnect.

582
00:39:48,150 –> 00:39:52,290
So much of the answer is already
inside of your body, so much

583
00:39:52,290 –> 00:39:54,655
of the answer is already there.

584
00:39:54,865 –> 00:39:59,185
And you’re trying to bubble it up so
that you could process it and put it into

585
00:39:59,185 –> 00:40:04,975
some form, like your mind needs to think
about it in the sense of how do I get it

586
00:40:04,975 –> 00:40:07,405
out of me to give it to somebody else?

587
00:40:07,915 –> 00:40:14,805
But the actual answer is already in
there in, it’s come in through something

588
00:40:14,805 –> 00:40:18,975
you smelled, connected with something
that like some little hormone that moved

589
00:40:18,975 –> 00:40:24,075
around here, and with something that you
saw seven years ago and some memory that

590
00:40:24,075 –> 00:40:26,444
got lodged in your, it’s all in there.

591
00:40:26,834 –> 00:40:32,174
And it’s just a matter of letting your
body bubble it from, you know, all your

592
00:40:32,174 –> 00:40:38,024
other kind of brain-like mind pieces
and to the brain that then processes

593
00:40:38,024 –> 00:40:40,814
it and says, Oh, output, type of thing.

594
00:40:43,000 –> 00:40:47,670
Tigrilla, I could speak with
you for hours on this subject.

595
00:40:47,670 –> 00:40:54,630
Because, you know, when you get truly
into a conversation, it, it just flies by.

596
00:40:55,230 –> 00:41:02,350
Uh, do you wanna add anything else to
our conversation today before we wrap up?

597
00:41:03,225 –> 00:41:03,825
Yeah, I would.

598
00:41:03,855 –> 00:41:08,805
I would add one piece, which is, um,
so much, we know that in the natural

599
00:41:08,805 –> 00:41:11,475
world, we evolve faster together.

600
00:41:11,805 –> 00:41:15,705
Like mutualisms and mutually
beneficial partnerships are the

601
00:41:15,705 –> 00:41:18,645
ones that, that evolve the fastest.

602
00:41:18,645 –> 00:41:23,725
All the other types, whether you’re
talking about predation, or parasitism,

603
00:41:23,725 –> 00:41:27,085
or competition, or all these other
things, are kind of temporary.

604
00:41:27,444 –> 00:41:31,404
They last for small periods of time
because they can be really useful.

605
00:41:31,705 –> 00:41:35,484
Um, nothing is, is bad, it’s,
just has to find its use.

606
00:41:35,845 –> 00:41:42,270
And so my kind of piece to everybody is,
you know, go and find the support you

607
00:41:42,270 –> 00:41:45,569
need to reconnect back into yourself.

608
00:41:45,629 –> 00:41:49,589
I know it might seem like, sure, they
talk about the mystic, that sort of, if

609
00:41:49,589 –> 00:41:54,029
you can do nine, nine months of silence,
then sure you can do it alone maybe.

610
00:41:54,029 –> 00:41:57,390
But even in those nine nights of,
nine months of silence that I was

611
00:41:57,404 –> 00:42:01,350
talking to this mystic this morning,
you know, he, when he came out,

612
00:42:01,350 –> 00:42:04,250
he went to the indigenous world.

613
00:42:04,250 –> 00:42:09,440
Like he, he has spent most of his life now
living amongst indigenous peoples, which

614
00:42:09,440 –> 00:42:14,450
is all about community and it’s all about,
you know, those, those relationships

615
00:42:14,450 –> 00:42:17,120
that can sometimes be really frustrating.

616
00:42:17,120 –> 00:42:18,040
‘Cause I live in a community.

617
00:42:18,040 –> 00:42:20,509
Trust me, when you’re that
close to people, it can be hard.

618
00:42:21,390 –> 00:42:25,170
But it’s so rewarding
to help us understand.

619
00:42:25,170 –> 00:42:29,320
So find support, you
know, find a community.

620
00:42:29,350 –> 00:42:34,170
You know, don’t be afraid to say, I need
help with this, or, I need to be held.

621
00:42:34,470 –> 00:42:38,730
Maybe I just need to be held
while I explore this and allow

622
00:42:38,730 –> 00:42:40,440
somebody else to come and hold you.

623
00:42:40,440 –> 00:42:43,420
Whether that’s, you know, a
partner, or a friend, or, uh,

624
00:42:43,710 –> 00:42:47,190
somebody who is a professional
who can hold you in that space.

625
00:42:47,430 –> 00:42:50,279
But just, you don’t
have to go at it alone.

626
00:42:51,870 –> 00:42:53,580
I like what you’ve said.

627
00:42:53,939 –> 00:42:59,640
It’s been a very interesting
conversation and it, it is remarkable

628
00:42:59,640 –> 00:43:02,310
how you just let the conversation go.

629
00:43:02,819 –> 00:43:06,839
Could you let people know how
to reach out to you, get ahold

630
00:43:06,839 –> 00:43:09,120
of you and find your work?

631
00:43:10,140 –> 00:43:13,379
Yeah, luckily I’m pretty easy ’cause
everything is based off my name.

632
00:43:13,379 –> 00:43:18,899
So, uh, my website is
tigrillagardenia.com and my Facebook,

633
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my LinkedIn, my Instagram, my
YouTube, it’s all @tigrillagardenia.

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And then, so those are the easiest ways.

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And if you’re looking for me, you can
find from there how to like, you know,

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book on a call and we can talk, or you can
join the Naturally Conscious Community,

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which is my online, like online community
for deep human plant interactions.

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It’s been a joy discussing
these things with you today.

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Thank you for sharing with us, Tigrilla.

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Thank you so much, this has
been absolutely wonderful.

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Thank you for joining us today.

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If you found this podcast enlightening,
entertaining, educational in any way,

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please share, like, subscribe, and join
us right back here next week for another

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great episode of the Dead America Podcast.

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I’m Ed Watters, your host, enjoy
your afternoon wherever you might be.